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Ozzies09tc wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:49 pm
BluesSK wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:41 pm
Ozzies09tc wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:19 pm

I do agree a fully healthy nick leddy IS mich better than a fully healthy pojo
Everyone agrees with that but we gave up a young asset for an older player who is not in the Blue's future plans.
Its a 2nd rdr in 2027... If we're still relying on that pick, this is a full rebuild not a re-tool

I wanna be contending by then so the pick would be worth dick regardless
Huh? I'm talking about Leddy, not Fowler.

We are moving PoJo to make room for Leddy or so it seems.

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BluesSK wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:56 pm
Ozzies09tc wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:49 pm
BluesSK wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:41 pm

Everyone agrees with that but we gave up a young asset for an older player who is not in the Blue's future plans.
Its a 2nd rdr in 2027... If we're still relying on that pick, this is a full rebuild not a re-tool

I wanna be contending by then so the pick would be worth dick regardless
Huh? I'm talking about Leddy, not Fowler.

We are moving PoJo to make room for Leddy or so it seems.
Ope, my bad...

The good news is, this keeps us more competitive so the younger players up now, will know a winning culture...

We NEED to be a little better than a 50/50 team and if we aren't, it's hard to shed a losing culture.
Now now, the Canadian Government has apologized for Bryan Adams on SEVERAL occasions!

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https://thehockeynews.com/news/nhl-powe ... ar-to-no-1
17. St. Louis Blues (15-15-3, -17. Last week: 14)

Maybe some sort of elixir because no team likes collecting dusty, 30-year-old defensemen like the Blues. But they’re onto something; entering Tuesday’s games, Jim Montgomery had a .700 points percentage with the Blues, which is just shy of the .715 points percentage in two-and-quarter seasons with the Bruins.
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BluesSK wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:56 pm
Ozzies09tc wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:49 pm
BluesSK wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:41 pm

Everyone agrees with that but we gave up a young asset for an older player who is not in the Blue's future plans.
Its a 2nd rdr in 2027... If we're still relying on that pick, this is a full rebuild not a re-tool

I wanna be contending by then so the pick would be worth dick regardless
Huh? I'm talking about Leddy, not Fowler.

We are moving PoJo to make room for Leddy or so it seems.
I agree with what you've been saying. Trading PoJo isn't going to alter the course of this season all that much likely. however, it just boggles my mind that for a team that is supposedly retooling, we continue to just get older and not younger. That seems backwards from what you'd want to do, especially if we are just continuing to miss the playoffs.

We can talk about how some of these prospects will be ready in two years but you aren't making the playoffs or a contender with a bunch of rookies in your roster, that's what the retool purpose is for. Just look at the Hawks and Red Wings how young teams do trying to make the playoffs. You're still a couple years away when those guys start filtering into the lineup.

If we are going to watch players suck, I'd much rather watch someone like Zach Dean suck on the 3rd/4th line to Faksa suck on the 4th line.

Army's obsession with veterans is only useful when you have a team that is competing for something. He seems constantly stuck between two minds.
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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 9:18 am
BluesSK wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:56 pm
Ozzies09tc wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:49 pm

Its a 2nd rdr in 2027... If we're still relying on that pick, this is a full rebuild not a re-tool

I wanna be contending by then so the pick would be worth dick regardless
Huh? I'm talking about Leddy, not Fowler.

We are moving PoJo to make room for Leddy or so it seems.
I agree with what you've been saying. Trading PoJo isn't going to alter the course of this season all that much likely. however, it just boggles my mind that for a team that is supposedly retooling, we continue to just get older and not younger. That seems backwards from what you'd want to do, especially if we are just continuing to miss the playoffs.

We can talk about how some of these prospects will be ready in two years but you aren't making the playoffs or a contender with a bunch of rookies in your roster, that's what the retool purpose is for. Just look at the Hawks and Red Wings how young teams do trying to make the playoffs. You're still a couple years away when those guys start filtering into the lineup.

If we are going to watch players suck, I'd much rather watch someone like Zach Dean suck on the 3rd/4th line to Faksa suck on the 4th line.

Army's obsession with veterans is only useful when you have a team that is competing for something. He seems constantly stuck between two minds.
It's interesting, the forward group has gotten younger but the D has gotten older for the most part, even with Broberg. The big question for me is what happens when Leddy returns. With the POJO trade, they currently have 6 healthy D. The only forwards that can be sent down without passing through waivers are Neighbours and Bolduc, and they're not going anywhere. That means they'll either have to make a trade or expose someone to waivers. If there's not a perfectly timed trade, they'll have to choose between sending Perunovich down, or a depth forward, and risk losing whoever it is. Between the risk of losing him and the fact that they probably don't like the idea of having only 6 D in St. Louis, I'm thinking it'd be a forward.

The other question becomes how long does Leddy stay in St. Louis if he returns and stays healthy. It absolutely cannot be a coincidence that Armstrong got the Ducks to eat just enough of Fowler's cap hit that Fowler's exactly matches Leddy's. If you're able to move him and send down a forward, they can bring Kessel or someone else back up.

In a vacuum, I think part of the POJO trade was just doing him a solid as it became clear he wasn't going to see the ice much anymore. I don't know how this winds up, but I'd be surprised if there aren't more moves to come in the next 6 weeks or so.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!

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Dave's a mess wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 9:58 am
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 9:18 am
BluesSK wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:56 pm

Huh? I'm talking about Leddy, not Fowler.

We are moving PoJo to make room for Leddy or so it seems.
I agree with what you've been saying. Trading PoJo isn't going to alter the course of this season all that much likely. however, it just boggles my mind that for a team that is supposedly retooling, we continue to just get older and not younger. That seems backwards from what you'd want to do, especially if we are just continuing to miss the playoffs.

We can talk about how some of these prospects will be ready in two years but you aren't making the playoffs or a contender with a bunch of rookies in your roster, that's what the retool purpose is for. Just look at the Hawks and Red Wings how young teams do trying to make the playoffs. You're still a couple years away when those guys start filtering into the lineup.

If we are going to watch players suck, I'd much rather watch someone like Zach Dean suck on the 3rd/4th line to Faksa suck on the 4th line.

Army's obsession with veterans is only useful when you have a team that is competing for something. He seems constantly stuck between two minds.
It's interesting, the forward group has gotten younger but the D has gotten older for the most part, even with Broberg. The big question for me is what happens when Leddy returns. With the POJO trade, they currently have 6 healthy D. The only forwards that can be sent down without passing through waivers are Neighbours and Bolduc, and they're not going anywhere. That means they'll either have to make a trade or expose someone to waivers. If there's not a perfectly timed trade, they'll have to choose between sending Perunovich down, or a depth forward, and risk losing whoever it is. Between the risk of losing him and the fact that they probably don't like the idea of having only 6 D in St. Louis, I'm thinking it'd be a forward.

The other question becomes how long does Leddy stay in St. Louis if he returns and stays healthy. It absolutely cannot be a coincidence that Armstrong got the Ducks to eat just enough of Fowler's cap hit that Fowler's exactly matches Leddy's. If you're able to move him and send down a forward, they can bring Kessel or someone else back up.

In a vacuum, I think part of the POJO trade was just doing him a solid as it became clear he wasn't going to see the ice much anymore. I don't know how this winds up, but I'd be surprised if there aren't more moves to come in the next 6 weeks or so.
If Leddy is activated they will have 23 players on the roster. They're fine without having to send someone down as near as I can tell. Or what am I missing?

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BluesSK wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 11:19 am
Dave's a mess wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 9:58 am
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 9:18 am

I agree with what you've been saying. Trading PoJo isn't going to alter the course of this season all that much likely. however, it just boggles my mind that for a team that is supposedly retooling, we continue to just get older and not younger. That seems backwards from what you'd want to do, especially if we are just continuing to miss the playoffs.

We can talk about how some of these prospects will be ready in two years but you aren't making the playoffs or a contender with a bunch of rookies in your roster, that's what the retool purpose is for. Just look at the Hawks and Red Wings how young teams do trying to make the playoffs. You're still a couple years away when those guys start filtering into the lineup.

If we are going to watch players suck, I'd much rather watch someone like Zach Dean suck on the 3rd/4th line to Faksa suck on the 4th line.

Army's obsession with veterans is only useful when you have a team that is competing for something. He seems constantly stuck between two minds.
It's interesting, the forward group has gotten younger but the D has gotten older for the most part, even with Broberg. The big question for me is what happens when Leddy returns. With the POJO trade, they currently have 6 healthy D. The only forwards that can be sent down without passing through waivers are Neighbours and Bolduc, and they're not going anywhere. That means they'll either have to make a trade or expose someone to waivers. If there's not a perfectly timed trade, they'll have to choose between sending Perunovich down, or a depth forward, and risk losing whoever it is. Between the risk of losing him and the fact that they probably don't like the idea of having only 6 D in St. Louis, I'm thinking it'd be a forward.

The other question becomes how long does Leddy stay in St. Louis if he returns and stays healthy. It absolutely cannot be a coincidence that Armstrong got the Ducks to eat just enough of Fowler's cap hit that Fowler's exactly matches Leddy's. If you're able to move him and send down a forward, they can bring Kessel or someone else back up.

In a vacuum, I think part of the POJO trade was just doing him a solid as it became clear he wasn't going to see the ice much anymore. I don't know how this winds up, but I'd be surprised if there aren't more moves to come in the next 6 weeks or so.
If Leddy is activated they will have 23 players on the roster. They're fine without having to send someone down as near as I can tell. Or what am I missing?
Whoops, you're right. I was told there would be no math.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!

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CaptSMRT wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 8:40 am
Ozzies09tc wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 12:03 pm
BluesSK wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 11:35 am Now they call up Tyler Tucker??
Umm maybe perun and saad being packaged for a 2nd rd pick?

Lol
No. Unlike most online hockey experts... Monty knows you need grit to compete in the NHL.
Yeah i think snugger is saads replacement honestly next yr
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While I still think this team winds up on the outside looking in during the playoffs, this has been an encouraging season for me so far. Kyrou and Thomas are playing very good hockey. Buch has been a little more inconsistent, but is still contributing. Holloway and Broberg have been revelations and are making Stan Bowman look like a chump. Fowler has been fantastic so far. The big prospects all seem to be developing, to different degrees, in the right direction.

Obviously there have been issues as well, but I'm glad the trend is upward after last season. I'm happy that they'll likely get to play meaningful late season games even if they don't make the playoffs. I am of the belief that consistent losing is at least partially cultural, so I'm glad that the team is not in a state of atrophy after a stinker last year. There are issues for sure, and work to be done in offseason, but I'm buying the retool over full rebuild at the moment.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!

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Dave's a mess wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:01 am While I still think this team winds up on the outside looking in during the playoffs, this has been an encouraging season for me so far. Kyrou and Thomas are playing very good hockey. Buch has been a little more inconsistent, but is still contributing. Holloway and Broberg have been revelations and are making Stan Bowman look like a chump. Fowler has been fantastic so far. The big prospects all seem to be developing, to different degrees, in the right direction.

Obviously there have been issues as well, but I'm glad the trend is upward after last season. I'm happy that they'll likely get to play meaningful late season games even if they don't make the playoffs. I am of the belief that consistent losing is at least partially cultural, so I'm glad that the team is not in a state of atrophy after a stinker last year. There are issues for sure, and work to be done in offseason, but I'm buying the retool over full rebuild at the moment.
Yeah, we are trending upward. None of the younger guys are really busting. It's our older players that are just declining and in a few years that will be cleaned up.

There is a lot of grief that can be pinned on Stan Bowman but in this case it was Jeff Jackson who went gung ho in free agency and didn't lock up Broberg and Holloway.

I have no complaints about that!

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Dave's a mess wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:01 am While I still think this team winds up on the outside looking in during the playoffs, this has been an encouraging season for me so far. Kyrou and Thomas are playing very good hockey. Buch has been a little more inconsistent, but is still contributing. Holloway and Broberg have been revelations and are making Stan Bowman look like a chump. Fowler has been fantastic so far. The big prospects all seem to be developing, to different degrees, in the right direction.

Obviously there have been issues as well, but I'm glad the trend is upward after last season. I'm happy that they'll likely get to play meaningful late season games even if they don't make the playoffs. I am of the belief that consistent losing is at least partially cultural, so I'm glad that the team is not in a state of atrophy after a stinker last year. There are issues for sure, and work to be done in offseason, but I'm buying the retool over full rebuild at the moment.
Amen. Just look at Columbus (our loss to them last night notwithstanding), Ottawa, Buffalo, etc.

IMOH, having a 'winning culture' where you take the ice every game fully expecting to win, and HATING to lose, is more important than even great talent with lackadaisical effort, and far better than 'tanking for a better draft pick' unless you're already guaranteed to draft in the top-5. How long did Edmonton drafting that high before they had enough players, including McDavid, to really compete? How long will it take Chicago to surround Bedard with enough talent to use his skills most effectively?

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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 1:47 pm
T.C. wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:28 pm "sweater" drives me nuts.
They are called Kits.
Even worse. Like a drum “kit”. It’s not a “kit”, I didn’t construct it. It’s a collection of drums, commonly known as a “set”. But, that’s one I have been forced to warm to over the decades, just because I have no choice. It is still irritating, but doesn’t make my skin crawl like it did initially. But a “kit” for the top you wear playing hockey is fucking bananas.

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T.C. wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:22 am
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 1:47 pm
T.C. wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:28 pm "sweater" drives me nuts.
They are called Kits.
Even worse. Like a drum “kit”. It’s not a “kit”, I didn’t construct it. It’s a collection of drums, commonly known as a “set”. But, that’s one I have been forced to warm to over the decades, just because I have no choice. It is still irritating, but doesn’t make my skin crawl like it did initially. But a “kit” for the top you wear playing hockey is fucking bananas.
A kit is something that you put together with airplane glue.., most drummers I knew could find a much different use for airplane glue.

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Turk Sanderson wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 7:55 am
T.C. wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:22 am
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 1:47 pm

They are called Kits.
Even worse. Like a drum “kit”. It’s not a “kit”, I didn’t construct it. It’s a collection of drums, commonly known as a “set”. But, that’s one I have been forced to warm to over the decades, just because I have no choice. It is still irritating, but doesn’t make my skin crawl like it did initially. But a “kit” for the top you wear playing hockey is fucking bananas.
A kit is something that you put together with airplane glue.., most drummers I knew could find a much different use for airplane glue.
Afterwards those red reverse retro jerseys might start to look better.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!