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Oates2Hullie450 wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 2:58 pm I think the ultimate goal was to get another guy who can play top 4 minutes on the left, given that Leddy has no timetable, and they don't want to rush Broberg into the top pairing spot if he's not ready. I don't see it as the end of the world. Only if your name is Scott Perunovich.
Right. Thanks Keith, please don’t make any more draft suggestions. What a waste.

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BillP wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 1:24 pm I was cool with the pick up till I read we gave up a 2nd rd pick. Too high a price for a guy like him IMO.
Absolutely! It was a really bad move. They are going to miss having that 2027 2nd Rounder, after some of their current prospects starting to play well on The NHL level, and becoming a solid playoff team, and still needing to fill some holes, especially after dumping off older, more expensive players, and needing to finish the rebuild with lower cost players. It isn't possible to fill out rosters with expensive UFAs. And the lower cost UFAs are lower quality players. We'll need GOOD QUALITY, lower cost players to compete at a high level, while still staying under the salary cap. Hurting that effort, just to have a non-guaranteed "better chance" to make the playoffs in a low Wild Card position, with VERY LITTLE chance even to win their first playoff series, due to the current plethora of teams in their conference with significantly better and deeper rosters than their own. 2026-2027 is when The Blues will just be solidifying their solid playoff team roster, and closing in on becoming a Stanley Cup contender. They'll need 1st and 2nd choices a LOT more at that time, which will be able to provide a much bigger effect in masking their game wins mean something.

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Alright, I haven't fired off any Fowler trade takes yet. A few things seem clear:
  • Leddy isn't coming back anytime soon.
    POJ isn't earning ice time.
    They want to limit Suter's minutes.
    They want to keep Broberg on second pair for now.
This trade really strikes me as the midseason MLB deal where a team acquires a middling starting pitcher just to eat innings. Fowler is going to play big minutes, and in fact led the team in icetime last night (nipped Parayko by a second). I'm willing to assume he'll play better in St. Louis than he did in Anaheim given that the Ducks seem to have a case of the Buffalo doom cycle going on recently. In that context, I get it. The price was about 50 spots in a draft 2 years from now, and a prospect that doesn't seem like he'll ever get close to the NHL. Value wise I think it's a fair deal after Anaheim ate about a third of the cap hit.

Having said that, was it the right use of resources for this team? I guess that all depends on Fowler. He's got one more year left after this season. At that point, if not sooner, you'd think Broberg would be ready for the top line role, and Lindstein will be on the roster. If they can jettison Leddy at some point, I think this is fine. Acquiring D is never cheap, and if it improves the current team while buying time for the young guys to get ready for the right role, sure. I also think we'll see some draft capital added through trading Saad and maybe Suter. Was it an entirely necessary trade? No, not at all, but I don't think it's nearly as bad as some others seem to.

In summary...whatever.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!

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Dave's a mess wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 9:01 am Alright, I haven't fired off any Fowler trade takes yet. A few things seem clear:
  • Leddy isn't coming back anytime soon.
    POJ isn't earning ice time.
    They want to limit Suter's minutes.
    They want to keep Broberg on second pair for now.
This trade really strikes me as the midseason MLB deal where a team acquires a middling starting pitcher just to eat innings. Fowler is going to play big minutes, and in fact led the team in icetime last night (nipped Parayko by a second). I'm willing to assume he'll play better in St. Louis than he did in Anaheim given that the Ducks seem to have a case of the Buffalo doom cycle going on recently. In that context, I get it. The price was about 50 spots in a draft 2 years from now, and a prospect that doesn't seem like he'll ever get close to the NHL. Value wise I think it's a fair deal after Anaheim ate about a third of the cap hit.

Having said that, was it the right use of resources for this team? I guess that all depends on Fowler. He's got one more year left after this season. At that point, if not sooner, you'd think Broberg would be ready for the top line role, and Lindstein will be on the roster. If they can jettison Leddy at some point, I think this is fine. Acquiring D is never cheap, and if it improves the current team while buying time for the young guys to get ready for the right role, sure. I also think we'll see some draft capital added through trading Saad and maybe Suter. Was it an entirely necessary trade? No, not at all, but I don't think it's nearly as bad as some others seem to.

In summary...whatever.
Generally those are made for rentals though. That's the confusing part here. Army has spent two off seasons trying to unload overpriced over aged d-men unsuccessfully, so in response he just adds another...
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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 9:35 am
Dave's a mess wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 9:01 am Alright, I haven't fired off any Fowler trade takes yet. A few things seem clear:
  • Leddy isn't coming back anytime soon.
    POJ isn't earning ice time.
    They want to limit Suter's minutes.
    They want to keep Broberg on second pair for now.
This trade really strikes me as the midseason MLB deal where a team acquires a middling starting pitcher just to eat innings. Fowler is going to play big minutes, and in fact led the team in icetime last night (nipped Parayko by a second). I'm willing to assume he'll play better in St. Louis than he did in Anaheim given that the Ducks seem to have a case of the Buffalo doom cycle going on recently. In that context, I get it. The price was about 50 spots in a draft 2 years from now, and a prospect that doesn't seem like he'll ever get close to the NHL. Value wise I think it's a fair deal after Anaheim ate about a third of the cap hit.

Having said that, was it the right use of resources for this team? I guess that all depends on Fowler. He's got one more year left after this season. At that point, if not sooner, you'd think Broberg would be ready for the top line role, and Lindstein will be on the roster. If they can jettison Leddy at some point, I think this is fine. Acquiring D is never cheap, and if it improves the current team while buying time for the young guys to get ready for the right role, sure. I also think we'll see some draft capital added through trading Saad and maybe Suter. Was it an entirely necessary trade? No, not at all, but I don't think it's nearly as bad as some others seem to.

In summary...whatever.
Generally those are made for rentals though. That's the confusing part here. Army has spent two off seasons trying to unload overpriced over aged d-men unsuccessfully, so in response he just adds another...
I think it's just a longer term rental. Have to assume Leddy is outta here shortly after he's playable, if not before. None of the prospects will be ready for top 4 role this season or next, so he's not blocking a kid. The bet he's making is that Fowler can still play a little, unlike Krug and now Leddy. I assume that's the thought process anyway.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!

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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 9:35 am
Dave's a mess wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 9:01 am Alright, I haven't fired off any Fowler trade takes yet. A few things seem clear:
  • Leddy isn't coming back anytime soon.
    POJ isn't earning ice time.
    They want to limit Suter's minutes.
    They want to keep Broberg on second pair for now.
This trade really strikes me as the midseason MLB deal where a team acquires a middling starting pitcher just to eat innings. Fowler is going to play big minutes, and in fact led the team in icetime last night (nipped Parayko by a second). I'm willing to assume he'll play better in St. Louis than he did in Anaheim given that the Ducks seem to have a case of the Buffalo doom cycle going on recently. In that context, I get it. The price was about 50 spots in a draft 2 years from now, and a prospect that doesn't seem like he'll ever get close to the NHL. Value wise I think it's a fair deal after Anaheim ate about a third of the cap hit.

Having said that, was it the right use of resources for this team? I guess that all depends on Fowler. He's got one more year left after this season. At that point, if not sooner, you'd think Broberg would be ready for the top line role, and Lindstein will be on the roster. If they can jettison Leddy at some point, I think this is fine. Acquiring D is never cheap, and if it improves the current team while buying time for the young guys to get ready for the right role, sure. I also think we'll see some draft capital added through trading Saad and maybe Suter. Was it an entirely necessary trade? No, not at all, but I don't think it's nearly as bad as some others seem to.

In summary...whatever.
Generally those are made for rentals though. That's the confusing part here. Army has spent two off seasons trying to unload overpriced over aged d-men unsuccessfully, so in response he just adds another...
We'll see if it plays out this way, but I think Fowler may end up being our #3-4 defenseman, after Broberg and Parayko, tied with Suter, ahead of Faulk, Kessel, PO Joseph, Leddy (when healthy) and Perunovich (and obviously Krug).

At $4mil/yr (for us), that's not bad.

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BluesSK wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 6:42 pm Fowler would be easy to move if it ever came down to it, which I doubt will happen.
Both Fowler and Suter (If they both stay healthy are aren't worn down) would probably be easy to move to a 'real' contender at the deadline. You can never have too much solid, veteran depth at defense for a long run to the cup.

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RAFritchey wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:38 pm This one confuses me. Why trade one of our young defensive prospects, where we're thin on the prospect side? Why now? Unless they're afraid of losing someone else, like Kessel or Perunovich? And why just for 'future considerations?' Surely he's worth something more tangible?
The future considerations could be from the Penguins trading that pick back to us when we got the RFA's.

I don't know why they wouldn't call it Past Considerations then.

I agree with you. He has value and I don't like giving him up to make room for Leddy.

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IMHO, a fully healthy Leddy is far better than most on here seem to think, but still unspectacular, and certainly not in our long-term plans.

With Kessel already in the minors, they would have had to send someone through waivers who'd almost certainly have been claimed, and Joseph was the only person they could move in order to activate Leddy from IR.

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RAFritchey wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:54 pm IMHO, a fully healthy Leddy is far better than most on here seem to think, but still unspectacular, and certainly not in our long-term plans.

With Kessel already in the minors, they would have had to send someone through waivers who'd almost certainly have been claimed, and Joseph was the only person they could move in order to activate Leddy from IR.
I do agree a fully healthy nick leddy IS mich better than a fully healthy pojo
Now now, the Canadian Government has apologized for Bryan Adams on SEVERAL occasions!

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Ozzies09tc wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:19 pm
RAFritchey wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:54 pm IMHO, a fully healthy Leddy is far better than most on here seem to think, but still unspectacular, and certainly not in our long-term plans.

With Kessel already in the minors, they would have had to send someone through waivers who'd almost certainly have been claimed, and Joseph was the only person they could move in order to activate Leddy from IR.
I do agree a fully healthy nick leddy IS mich better than a fully healthy pojo
Everyone agrees with that but we gave up a young asset for an older player who is not in the Blue's future plans.

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BluesSK wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:41 pm
Ozzies09tc wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:19 pm
RAFritchey wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:54 pm IMHO, a fully healthy Leddy is far better than most on here seem to think, but still unspectacular, and certainly not in our long-term plans.

With Kessel already in the minors, they would have had to send someone through waivers who'd almost certainly have been claimed, and Joseph was the only person they could move in order to activate Leddy from IR.
I do agree a fully healthy nick leddy IS mich better than a fully healthy pojo
Everyone agrees with that but we gave up a young asset for an older player who is not in the Blue's future plans.
Its a 2nd rdr in 2027... If we're still relying on that pick, this is a full rebuild not a re-tool

I wanna be contending by then so the pick would be worth dick regardless
Now now, the Canadian Government has apologized for Bryan Adams on SEVERAL occasions!