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Robb_K wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:05 am
Dave's a mess wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:32 am From the 2 minutes of research I just did, it seems like the top 4 or so Vegas prospects would be a nice return for Barbashev. I believe the makeup if that top 4 is 1 D, 2 Cs, 1 LW.
They certainly WOULD!!!! I think we were lucky to get even ONE of them!!! :mrgreen:
One prospect for every 2 weeks of games Barbashev plays for Vegas!
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!

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My baseless wild ass speculation trades for the Blues at the deadline are Krug to LA and/or Parayko to Edmonton.

I have no idea what the return would be because I have no idea how teams value them. Unclear to me if they'd bring in a bunch of assets or if we'd have to pay to get them off the books. Looking forward to being very right or very wrong about this.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!

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Dave's a mess wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:21 am My baseless wild ass speculation trades for the Blues at the deadline are Krug to LA and/or Parayko to Edmonton.

I have no idea what the return would be because I have no idea how teams value them. Unclear to me if they'd bring in a bunch of assets or if we'd have to pay to get them off the books. Looking forward to being very right or very wrong about this.
The thing with Parayko is it's not even the dollar amount that would scare teams off right now. It's not some wild price tag or even that overpriced, Its the length that's the issue. If it was 3 years at the same price he'd bring a very good return.
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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:36 am
Dave's a mess wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:21 am My baseless wild ass speculation trades for the Blues at the deadline are Krug to LA and/or Parayko to Edmonton.

I have no idea what the return would be because I have no idea how teams value them. Unclear to me if they'd bring in a bunch of assets or if we'd have to pay to get them off the books. Looking forward to being very right or very wrong about this.
The thing with Parayko is it's not even the dollar amount that would scare teams off right now. It's not some wild price tag or even that overpriced, Its the length that's the issue. If it was 3 years at the same price he'd bring a very good return.
Thing is the Oilers need to be hardcore in win now mode. They're either going to lose McDavid and Draisaitl in a few years, have to pay them way more, or just totally waste the primes of 2 of the best players in the generation. If any team needs to not worry about the 2030 roster it's them.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!

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Dave's a mess wrote:
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:36 am
Dave's a mess wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:21 am My baseless wild ass speculation trades for the Blues at the deadline are Krug to LA and/or Parayko to Edmonton.

I have no idea what the return would be because I have no idea how teams value them. Unclear to me if they'd bring in a bunch of assets or if we'd have to pay to get them off the books. Looking forward to being very right or very wrong about this.
The thing with Parayko is it's not even the dollar amount that would scare teams off right now. It's not some wild price tag or even that overpriced, Its the length that's the issue. If it was 3 years at the same price he'd bring a very good return.
Thing is the Oilers need to be hardcore in win now mode. They're either going to lose McDavid and Draisaitl in a few years, have to pay them way more, or just totally waste the primes of 2 of the best players in the generation. If any team needs to not worry about the 2030 roster it's them.
He's also an Alberta boy so I'd imagine he'd consider waiving his NTC to head back there. It's certainly an option. Kostin and a 3rd!
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BluesSK wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:15 pm
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:33 pm https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/with- ... -card-week

13. Colton Parayko 🆕
Right Defense, St. Louis Blues
Age: 29
Stats: 56 GP, 3 G, 16 A, 19 Pts
Contract: Seven more seasons, $6.5 million AAV
Scoop: Parayko has been a hot topic in St. Louis as GM Doug Armstrong begins to remake the Blues. There is no doubt that Armstrong would like to find some salary cap flexibility on his blue line. Here’s the thing: Justin Faulk, Torey Krug, Nick Leddy and Parayko all have at least three seasons remaining on their deals. They combine for $23.5 million (28 percent of the cap). They also all have full ‘no-trade’ clauses. Outside of Krug, Parayko is the one likely with the most market value

36. Marco Scandella 🆕
Left Defense, St. Louis Blues
Age: 33
Stats: 3 GP, 0 G, 0 A, 0 Pts
Contract: 1 more season, $3.275 million AAV
Scoop: See No. 13 in Colton Parayko. The Blues are dying to create a little cap flexibility on their backend. They’d kill to break free from Scandella’s contract, which seemed to be a mistake signing from jump street. Playing on his third team in 2019-20, after trading 2nd and 4th round picks for him, the Blues signed Scandella to a four-year, $13.1 million deal just two months after acquiring him. It was signed just a few weeks into the pandemic. Scandella has been hurt, hasn’t lived up to his pay, but the Blues will have to pay to move him.
That bad Scandella trade and contract was the first domino in all the issues this team has had since wining the Cup.

In the first place the Blues could have had him for literally nothing as he was on the waiver wire earlier in that season. Then the contract hamstrung Armstrong from making any beneficial trade or re-signing. It was just a bad mistake that got compounded by more.

I think they move Krug at the deadline. For anything. He's a complementary piece on a lineup that is almost already set. We do not need that now.

He's got value for a team that is knocking on the door that needs a third pairing PP specialist.
Actually, the first 'domino' was just before that (IMHO). Scandella was a panic move after suddenly losing Jay Bouwmeester to a near-fatal heart condition. Then they compounded it by overpaying him in term and money. If it had been around a $9 mil deal, I think it wouldn't have been so bad, but I don't recall what other blue-line options were around back then if he'd walked in that off-season. IIRC, the Blues were kinda stuck somewhat overpaying for a mediocre veteran top-4 defenseman.

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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:11 am
Dave's a mess wrote:
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:36 am

The thing with Parayko is it's not even the dollar amount that would scare teams off right now. It's not some wild price tag or even that overpriced, Its the length that's the issue. If it was 3 years at the same price he'd bring a very good return.
Thing is the Oilers need to be hardcore in win now mode. They're either going to lose McDavid and Draisaitl in a few years, have to pay them way more, or just totally waste the primes of 2 of the best players in the generation. If any team needs to not worry about the 2030 roster it's them.
He's also an Alberta boy so I'd imagine he'd consider waiving his NTC to head back there. It's certainly an option. Kostin and a 3rd!
Sold!! :lol:

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BluesSK wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:45 pm
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:02 pm Oilers have 3.5 million in cap space according to capfriendly so they could make the money work.
Looks like James Neal might become a Blue again.
Ty Rattie too. Might as well inquire about Jaskin too. Is Lehtera still playing? Sobotka? Bergie? Bring them back, it’s the winning formula for transforming a roster into a Cup winner. Let’s do it again!!!

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BillP wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:59 pm
BluesSK wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:45 pm
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:02 pm Oilers have 3.5 million in cap space according to capfriendly so they could make the money work.
Looks like James Neal might become a Blue again.
Ty Rattie too. Might as well inquire about Jaskin too. Is Lehtera still playing? Sobotka? Bergie? Bring them back, it’s the winning formula for transforming a roster into a Cup winner. Let’s do it again!!!
He's a point per game player in the Finnish league this year. Bring him back!
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Dave's a mess wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:43 pm Dreger BNF user, confirmed:

As much grief as Parayko gets around here, IMHO it's not his play so much as his contract length that's the problem. What are good, high minute, right-shooting defensemen going for around the league now? If we are 'retooling' for a year or two, who do we replace Parayko with on the right side? Do we make a run at Matt Dumba in the off-season (Assuming that John Klingberg and Erik Johnson aren't options)? Try to pick up Chychrun as a leftie and swap someone to the right side? Go without for a couple of years and subject our goalies to John Gibson syndrome? Or is there another trade out there to be made in a year or two that could replace Parayko with a similar, but cheaper, Parayko?

Just trying to start some brainstorming.

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RAFritchey wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:31 pm
Dave's a mess wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:43 pm Dreger BNF user, confirmed:

As much grief as Parayko gets around here, IMHO it's not his play so much as his contract length that's the problem. What are good, high minute, right-shooting defensemen going for around the league now? If we are 'retooling' for a year or two, who do we replace Parayko with on the right side? Do we make a run at Matt Dumba in the off-season (Assuming that John Klingberg and Erik Johnson aren't options)? Try to pick up Chychrun as a leftie and swap someone to the right side? Go without for a couple of years and subject our goalies to John Gibson syndrome? Or is there another trade out there to be made in a year or two that could replace Parayko with a similar, but cheaper, Parayko?

Just trying to start some brainstorming.
I don't think Parayko even really gets much grief here though. It's not like he's the new Brewer treatment wise. People just recognize the same thing you do, the length of his contract is terrible and it's better for this team to try and move it so they do have flexibility to improve versus just running it back with the same top 4 defensemen for the next 3 years. Army seems to recognize that too.
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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:11 pm
BillP wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:59 pm
BluesSK wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:45 pm

Looks like James Neal might become a Blue again.
Ty Rattie too. Might as well inquire about Jaskin too. Is Lehtera still playing? Sobotka? Bergie? Bring them back, it’s the winning formula for transforming a roster into a Cup winner. Let’s do it again!!!
He's a point per game player in the Finnish league this year. Bring him back!
Damn, he ain’t Finnished yet! :shock:

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BillP wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:59 pm
BluesSK wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:45 pm
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:02 pm Oilers have 3.5 million in cap space according to capfriendly so they could make the money work.
Looks like James Neal might become a Blue again.
Ty Rattie too. Might as well inquire about Jaskin too. Is Lehtera still playing? Sobotka? Bergie? Bring them back, it’s the winning formula for transforming a roster into a Cup winner. Let’s do it again!!!
Well, the point of my joke was if we did trade Parayko to Edmonton we might be getting James Neal's dead cap space in return. They still owe him $6M. 🤦‍♂️

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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:36 am
Dave's a mess wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:21 am My baseless wild ass speculation trades for the Blues at the deadline are Krug to LA and/or Parayko to Edmonton.

I have no idea what the return would be because I have no idea how teams value them. Unclear to me if they'd bring in a bunch of assets or if we'd have to pay to get them off the books. Looking forward to being very right or very wrong about this.
The thing with Parayko is it's not even the dollar amount that would scare teams off right now. It's not some wild price tag or even that overpriced, Its the length that's the issue. If it was 3 years at the same price he'd bring a very good return.
If he hadn't regressed as much as he has this wouldn't even be an issue.

Armstrong thought he could carry the load and he couldn't. Oops.

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RAFritchey wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:31 pm
Dave's a mess wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:43 pm Dreger BNF user, confirmed:

As much grief as Parayko gets around here, IMHO it's not his play so much as his contract length that's the problem. What are good, high minute, right-shooting defensemen going for around the league now? If we are 'retooling' for a year or two, who do we replace Parayko with on the right side? Do we make a run at Matt Dumba in the off-season (Assuming that John Klingberg and Erik Johnson aren't options)? Try to pick up Chychrun as a leftie and swap someone to the right side? Go without for a couple of years and subject our goalies to John Gibson syndrome? Or is there another trade out there to be made in a year or two that could replace Parayko with a similar, but cheaper, Parayko?

Just trying to start some brainstorming.
Yeah. #1 Dmen are rarer than hens teeth. And we really emptied the cupboard of prospects or they haven't panned out.

I still think we move Krug. We need boring, stay at home Dmen types for the next few years.

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Parayko isn't going anywhere... this is some dream people keep wanting to make. I love how to expert Blues fans... Parayko has no value on the ice... but he should bring in a first round pick for a trade. FUCK OFF!!!

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RAFritchey wrote:
Dave's a mess wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:43 pm Dreger BNF user, confirmed:

As much grief as Parayko gets around here, IMHO it's not his play so much as his contract length that's the problem. What are good, high minute, right-shooting defensemen going for around the league now? If we are 'retooling' for a year or two, who do we replace Parayko with on the right side? Do we make a run at Matt Dumba in the off-season (Assuming that John Klingberg and Erik Johnson aren't options)? Try to pick up Chychrun as a leftie and swap someone to the right side? Go without for a couple of years and subject our goalies to John Gibson syndrome? Or is there another trade out there to be made in a year or two that could replace Parayko with a similar, but cheaper, Parayko?

Just trying to start some brainstorming.
I always liked Dumba. But he hasn't been the same since his injury in 2019. After that, his offensive numbers just dropped to the floor. Don't get that.