Turk Sanderson wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:39 pm

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:51 am

T.C. wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:56 am I honestly think that Vlad was kept here longer than he should have been because the front office felt like he put butts in seats, and they didn’t have anyone else who would. They built marketing campaigns around him for years and made him the face of the franchise. I know this is ridiculous, but I could never find any “hockey” reason to do so.

My assumption was the Blues set a specific value on him and no team was willing to meet it and the Blues weren't interested in compromising for the players interest. The fact they got a 1st for him to be a couple month rental though lets me know he had value around the league so it's not like the Blues were being offered a 3rd for him and decided to not trade him.

Questions we will only be able to speculate at the answers, but I'd sure love to know what if any trade talks occurred last offseason. I need to figure out how to hack Army's phone.

Me too…. He owes me big time for always sticking up for him.

Dave's a mess wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 6:09 pm

Turk Sanderson wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:39 pm

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:51 am

My assumption was the Blues set a specific value on him and no team was willing to meet it and the Blues weren't interested in compromising for the players interest. The fact they got a 1st for him to be a couple month rental though lets me know he had value around the league so it's not like the Blues were being offered a 3rd for him and decided to not trade him.

Questions we will only be able to speculate at the answers, but I'd sure love to know what if any trade talks occurred last offseason. I need to figure out how to hack Army's phone.

Me too…. He owes me big time for always sticking up for him.

His password is surely "8x6.5"

BlueinNy wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:33 pm I know people won't like this but I think Vlad not getting traded before he was smells a little like Al Davis.

Ozzies09tc wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:58 pm

BlueinNy wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:33 pm I know people won't like this but I think Vlad not getting traded before he was smells a little like Al Davis.

I'm curious of how may people on this board, will understand that reference.

I get it, I'm a Broncos fan. That terrible garbage of a team is in my division.

Dave's a mess wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:28 am

Ozzies09tc wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:58 pm

BlueinNy wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:33 pm I know people won't like this but I think Vlad not getting traded before he was smells a little like Al Davis.

I'm curious of how may people on this board, will understand that reference.

I get it, I'm a Broncos fan. That terrible garbage of a team is in my division.

"Just win, Baby" doesn't seem to apply here. Just implying it was a terrible move? Ownership meddling?

Ozzies09tc wrote:

Dave's a mess wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:28 am

Ozzies09tc wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:58 pm I'm curious of how may people on this board, will understand that reference.

I get it, I'm a Broncos fan. That terrible garbage of a team is in my division.

"Just win, Baby" doesn't seem to apply here. Just implying it was a terrible move? Ownership meddling?

Ever since john elway has been gm or higher the team has been a shit show post-manning.

He got rid of tebow (thankfully) and josh mcdummy and has been awful since

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:41 am 7 years seems DANGEROUS

Dave's a mess wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:31 pm

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:41 am 7 years seems DANGEROUS

At that cap hit 3 years seems dangerous. Who were they negotiating against? I know he's pretty much a 1 of 1 player, but what are the odds his game maintains it's level well into his 30s? He turns 30 in March, only played 33 games last year, and this deal doesn't start until the 24-25 season. Might be a Blues D level disaster. This one is a biiiiiiig yikes for me.

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:54 pm

Dave's a mess wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:31 pm

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:41 am 7 years seems DANGEROUS

At that cap hit 3 years seems dangerous. Who were they negotiating against? I know he's pretty much a 1 of 1 player, but what are the odds his game maintains it's level well into his 30s? He turns 30 in March, only played 33 games last year, and this deal doesn't start until the 24-25 season. Might be a Blues D level disaster. This one is a biiiiiiig yikes for me.

You could have convinced me a 3-4 year deal for him was good, I would've had no issues with that. But 7 years seems crazy. They'll be paying him til he's 38 years old and there's just no way he ages well with his style of play. I feel like we saw this movie already with Lucic. Add to that, I am not even sure the Caps are in an active cup window right now and it seems like an emotional signing of a fan favorite to me but not a smart business move.

BillP. wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:33 am

Ozzies09tc wrote:

Dave's a mess wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:28 am

"Just win, Baby" doesn't seem to apply here. Just implying it was a terrible move? Ownership meddling?

Ever since john elway has been gm or higher the team has been a shit show post-manning.

He got rid of tebow (thankfully) and josh mcdummy and has been awful since

I still think Tebow got screwed. The guy won a playoff game and then got kicked out of the league.
Would of liked to have seen him play another year as a starter and see if he could of build off of that.
Denver not an option since they went and got Manning but maybe somewhere else.
Fuck, the Rams were so bad why not St. Louis? Steven Jackson and Tebow, 2 heavy weights running the option, might of been fun.

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:54 pm

Dave's a mess wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:31 pm

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:41 am 7 years seems DANGEROUS

At that cap hit 3 years seems dangerous. Who were they negotiating against? I know he's pretty much a 1 of 1 player, but what are the odds his game maintains it's level well into his 30s? He turns 30 in March, only played 33 games last year, and this deal doesn't start until the 24-25 season. Might be a Blues D level disaster. This one is a biiiiiiig yikes for me.

You could have convinced me a 3-4 year deal for him was good, I would've had no issues with that. But 7 years seems crazy. They'll be paying him til he's 38 years old and there's just no way he ages well with his style of play. I feel like we saw this movie already with Lucic. Add to that, I am not even sure the Caps are in an active cup window right now and it seems like an emotional signing of a fan favorite to me but not a smart business move.

Ozzies09tc wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:16 am

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:54 pm

Dave's a mess wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:31 pm

At that cap hit 3 years seems dangerous. Who were they negotiating against? I know he's pretty much a 1 of 1 player, but what are the odds his game maintains it's level well into his 30s? He turns 30 in March, only played 33 games last year, and this deal doesn't start until the 24-25 season. Might be a Blues D level disaster. This one is a biiiiiiig yikes for me.

You could have convinced me a 3-4 year deal for him was good, I would've had no issues with that. But 7 years seems crazy. They'll be paying him til he's 38 years old and there's just no way he ages well with his style of play. I feel like we saw this movie already with Lucic. Add to that, I am not even sure the Caps are in an active cup window right now and it seems like an emotional signing of a fan favorite to me but not a smart business move.

I thought it was a fair deal, until I read it doesn't start until 24-25?!

The caps are NOT in a cup window. They are built to see if Ovy can make history by being famous for what Tony Hawk did - by joining the 900 club

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:14 am Holy cow that’s a massive trade. And thus my hopes of moving Krug to pittsburgh ends

Dave's a mess wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:04 pm

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:14 am Holy cow that’s a massive trade. And thus my hopes of moving Krug to pittsburgh ends

The upside is, now that this major domino has fallen, perhaps some others on the D market will. Dumba is still unsigned, supposedly because the Karlsson deal was holding things up.

Oates2Hullie450 wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:37 pm

Dave's a mess wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:04 pm

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:14 am Holy cow that’s a massive trade. And thus my hopes of moving Krug to pittsburgh ends

The upside is, now that this major domino has fallen, perhaps some others on the D market will. Dumba is still unsigned, supposedly because the Karlsson deal was holding things up.

Dumba's play has seemed to tank from all accounts that I see. Still relatively young. Let's get him in on a $6.5x4 and see if he turns things around.

Dave's a mess wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:41 pm

Oates2Hullie450 wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:37 pm

Dave's a mess wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:04 pm

The upside is, now that this major domino has fallen, perhaps some others on the D market will. Dumba is still unsigned, supposedly because the Karlsson deal was holding things up.

Dumba's play has seemed to tank from all accounts that I see. Still relatively young. Let's get him in on a $6.5x4 and see if he turns things around.

I wasn't implying the Blues should get him, absolutely no room and he's definitely slipped. Also he just signed with AZ.



Another one year deal for a name brand player before the cap goes up. Next summer is going to be wild.

Dave's a mess wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:19 am

Fascinating signing. Sanderson was the 5th overall pick in 2020. He's only played one year in which he was pretty solid, particularly for a 20 year old. He produced 32 points and saw some PP time. He still has one year left on his entry level deal before the extension kicks in. He's not an $8 million player, but he seems like a likely bet to be one in the not to distant future. Having said that, it's a gamble for a guy that has 77 pro games under his belt. It's a great deal for Sanderson as it bypasses the typical bridge contract and will get him another crack at a huge contract when he's 30. Ottawa is really locking in its young core and supplementing with some solid veterans. I don't know if they get over the hump and get back into the playoffs this year, but I'm sure they'll be a popular pick to do so.