There is also some talk about Tarasenko.
Enjoy!
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little to look forward to this game
While very hard to say, I have fully embraced the suck and have no interest in the Wings winning this game. I do, however, want them to play well in defeat.
It's a Christmas miracle!
Sometimes I feel the same, but it's been often that high draft picks not working out , just look at Buffalo or our 2018 draft
I'd rather have Chiarot on the second pairing than either of Holl or Petry. Chiarot out just makes us even worse, unfortunately.
But Edvinsson back in -- that's probably what you meant here. I'll agree with that sentiment for sure.
This is the one game of the year my family will go to, and the main reason I wanted to go was to see the new guys -- Ed mostly, but also Kasper. I wouldn't mind if we bumped that 4th line up to 2nd and pushed the other two lines down. Maybe give them Rasmussen instead of Veleno too.
Another game day? Someone pour me a double shot of whiskey. Oh my, good lord. Nah, just kidding, good luck Wings.
Sure, but the stats still say it is our best chance for improving offensive talent in the system.
It's good to see Ed is alright and back in for tonight hopefully. Here's the 2 scenarios that will happen. We score 1st and sit on the lead and then allow them to do what they want until they score and we lose or they score 1st and then proceed to run around like chickens with head cut off trying to play catchup and lose. Will the goaltending show up? I hope
Holl on the top pair baby!
All you Benny haters will repent, you haven't seen nothing yet!
It would be nice to see Johansson play a few consecutive games to see if he can figure it out. It is time to embrace the idea this team is not competitive and focus on improving the young players.
lidstrom, zetterberg, datsyuk and kronwall could hold a press conference before puck drop to say that they've been training in secret this whole time and are in better shape and playing better hockey than they did in their primes
Rafalski returns from his religious pilgrimage.
still wouldn't win a cup
Will be nice to see Wallinder in NHL action, finally.
What about Coffee
What you're gonna see instead is Gus on the top pair, lol. Not gonna watch this train wreck.
Can the Blues put up a touchdown tonight? That defense
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Wallinder gonna be in the press box?
yet another loss. I'll check tomorrow whether it's 2-5 or 1-6. thanks.
Ahh back to the Madison Bowey days we go
Bulleit bourbon isn't debuting, but is definitely in the mix for tonight.
Is Bob Kaser calling the game?
Good for Kenny!! Getting the national gig tonight?? Hell yeah!
Just put Albert with Mo... quit being a p***y and play the kid.
Where is Ken Daniels?
Calling a national Canada game for something.
Stuck at work... this feels like a game to drink to...
Wait... is that the chokehold guy? Is there a Blue we want choked out?
The Wings could get 5 extra players and still lose.
Probably a tossup between Lagesson and Wallinder. As far as I'm concerned, they can bench Gus and let them both play.
I have a feeling it's gonna get a lot of minutes this game.
It is, so far.
Dodged a hold there...
that was a meatball pass bound for a turnover there Burger
So was the dump in on the next attempt. Doesn't much matter with our breakout schemes...
Either someone makes a play or it's a turnover. No in between.
Gustafsson being THAT bad they play Holl-Seider. Just crazy.
Who's with Mickey Redmond tonight?
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Bob Kaiser, griffins commentstor
He's pretty good
This team is cooked, yikes
Geez. Any other game, that's a slash on the hands.
Sounds like he is VOIPing in. He is a little tough to hear.
It was close. But not enough
Honestly it should be though. He's clearly behind the offensive player and is hacking him awful close to his hands. That's not a stick check and should be a penalty.
C'mon, do something
One of my go to's for a simply bourbon and coke
Maybe an unpopular opinion but Drew Doughty talked about firing slapshots into guys knowing they may be blocked. But after getting stung with a few guys tend to back off and are less eager to do it so you start getting them thru more often.
They need to make sure the blocked shot doesn't get behind them but I wouldn't be mad if the Wings ripped more shots at the feet of defenders
Exactly. Good enough to sip or use in a Manhattan, not so good that I feel like a barbarian pouring it with Coke.
Good enough for the pre-season efforts like we're watching tonight.
What's the deal with the half ass chip Ins? Why not try a hard around and set up the ozone?
I'm guessing most of the time it's because they spent the majority of the shift in their own end so are gassed.
Tanks for that.
This is gonna get UGLY
Wow, boobirds at a Wings game? Do my ears deceive me?!
"gonna"?
Was that Tank who blew the clear AND had the puck deflect off his ass for the goal?
C'mon
Tanks fault there. Did he forget he's not a member of the Blues anymore?
Have we tried taking fewer shots? Look, I'm trying to come up something, ok?
Too many east west pass attempts clear across the offensive zone.
They need to get rid of this stupid rotating A thing and just give one to Seider
It's so big brain and stupid
4 shots on goal this period
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You gotta love how cool he was defending the 2 on 1. It's like he knew that was gonna happen when he's playing with Holl.
This team is supremely untalented
Wait... are you saying this isn't them trying to take fewer shots?!?!
We are longing for the days of Big Ericsson eh?
Wow I mean 4 shots on goal.
At least Ken Daniels gets to watch some fun hockey tonight.
This is going to get better, right?
We have the worst puck support in the league.
Tank has time with the puck but blindly chips up the boards and doesn't get it out of the zone.
I have to wonder why you don't try and possess the puck there. Unless the coach wants you to just chip it out??
How are we suppose to watch 48 more of these.
We are disjointed in all three zones. I went down with the ship on Blashill to point out I thought the team worked and the systems were in place but the talent was inept. It feels like these guys have quit on LaLonde and are trying to point out how stupid some of the concepts being preached are. Sorry but you have seen it in a few pressers too, there are problems in this dressing room.
There's definitely a total lack of any chemistry. This is not a super talented team but you do have Larkin, Raymond, Kane, Debrincat, Ed, Seider.
There should be moments of them having it together but they're so so rare.
I haven't been this displeased with the team in a long time.
How is AlJo playing that small of minutes?
Johansson on pace for a steady 12 minutes of ice time tonight
Just trade the kid and stop destroying his confidence
Common saying: work smarter, not harder
Red Wings: working dumber
So, can someone explain Tank to me? I recognized the name when the trade happened and I figured he was a dude. How can he be so useless on O and D?
Misa would look good on the Wings.
Bless Petry for actually launching it towards the net on occasion
Holl is garbage so wet that it makes the dumpster fire also one that has a ton of acrid smoke.
Shoulders are shot though he still unloads the odd heavy shot. Was good in a depth role in Florida and this isn't Florida. Was surprised Larkin and Raymond couldn't jump start him more.
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With your eyes wide shut
They look like they are expecting to lose.
Lalonde couldn't motivate me to take Sydney Sweeney out for dinner.
Sweet. Good job, Larkin
Lalonde couldn't motivate me to hate Lalonde
Someone gave me some crown royal, and I'm eyeballing that shit hard right now. My brother says it's trash tho.
it'll still wash the taste of this team out of your mouth.
So will lighter fluid
"Good question, Sydney".
Tarasenko is normally RW too, and I can't recall him ever playing LW in STL, or even NYR/OTT/FLA... He appears to be a casualty of us having too many off-handed wings in the top 6. Just doesn't look in sync, at all
We are one of if not the easiest team to play against. It's unreal. Like these are NHLers supposedly
Honestly I don't think you even need a coaching staff to play like this. How much are they paying those guys?
Crown isn't great, it's one you definitely enjoy with mix. As a Canadian it was ruined for me with many bad decisions in my younger years. Not as bad as it's reputation.
I do think we are up to 5 shots on goal though...
Kane has trust issues with passing to teammates. He defers to certain players, yet he's been mishandling the puck far too much himself. I know he called himself out recently about his game, but he genuinely needs to hang it up in 2025. The difference of a player we saw last season versus this season is pretty steep
5 shots on goal really showing hunger and desperation out there lol
Put with some gingerale and ango bitters.. smooth and satisfying. Want a winter inspired whiskey sour, make some vanilla chai simple syrup (it's easy I swear), add your whiskey, lemon juice, ango bitters, ,and orange zest.
I found the flavored crown is easier to drink straight than the normal crown.
Lol gettin uglier
Thanks for this Stevie
I'm being patient
Not much of a drinker in my old age but perhaps it's time to start again.
Happy holidays to everyone. Time to log off and spend time with families instead.
Good to see in year three Lalonde is learning about the timeout...
Speak for yourself. The Red Wings are my family lol.
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Wow so bad
Fire his ass on Christmas day lol.
nice hit by Kasper
No one would ever say it on the Red Wings but there isn't a soul in that arena that believes they are coming back.
This roster ain't great, but the on-ice product is less than the sum of the available parts.
I wouldn't expect them to be consistently good, but I think this set of players could play better than this
So glad I decided to pay for ESPN + this year when this team is so unwatchable.
Including the players
It's literally just Marco Kasper
Seider keeps pinching and leaving Holl all alone...please stop.
I don't include them, they seem pretty soulless.
It looks like especially the players, there are some kids that don't know better and might believe.
Why is holl even playing with him? On his off d side. Whatever genius coach thought of that is a complete moron
Is A Christmas Story the best Christmas movie ever or is it over rated?
How do you only manage six SOG after 30 minutes? It feels intentional.
Lol! Harsh.
But maybe not entirely unjustified
huge save by Talbot
Kane's defensive effort really is something else
I finally watched it a few years ago. IMO overrated. I mean, it was fine. But generational? Not to me.
It's great, but not on the level of Christmas Vacation and It's a Wonderful Life imo
All three of those I'd rather watch than this pathetic hockey team of ours though.
The top LHD in the pecking order is Gus, who has played worse than Holl this year IMO
Otherwise you're playing Lagesson or Johansson with Mo
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The Ref is a good one too.
I'd rather watch the Hallmark channel slop
Ok, not really....
C'mon don't let that idiot Binnington get a friggin shutout.
At least get the tiny meaningless victory of spoiling his shutout and save percentage because you've gotten so few on net.
I'll take any of them over holl on a top pairing, holl literally can't move so when he's playing against high end players he's completely exposed.
Unless I missed it, this conversation has gone on way too long with no mention of Elf.
Who else was surprised Copp got the one timer on net?
Would actually rather lose 10-0 and get embarrassed, maybe that would force yzerman to make a damn change
I'd have actally tried Gus there, but at this point why not Albert? It can't really get worse.
Me, lol.
It was a pretty good shot, just an awesome save.
Lmao that Mickey clip
I like Elf but can understand why some people don't care for it
I know Will Ferrel can be polarizing but to me that's the perfect role for him.
Without Mickey, watching this game would be damn near impossible.
Never saw it. Not a fan of LoudGuy except as a supporting character.
Bob Newhart, Ed Asner, James Caan, Mary Steenburgen And like I said the ideal role for Will Ferrel's schtick. and production design with a strong nod to the old Rankin/Bass claymation.
I saw that animated Netflix movie Klaus. That was really good.
I watched the Alistair Sim Christmas Carol the other night and loved it.
I think the Wings have given up more odd man rushes than they have shots on goal
Strong dislike for much of his new stuff but he's good in that. Thanks for the reminder of that one, good one to watch with the family on a lighter side.
VLADDY <3
Oh man Vlad is here watching this?
Screw it, keep fester and embrace the tank. Only 4 points up on Buffalo and they're currently winning.. It's getting really hard to watch this garbage.
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This game gave me an idea.. instead of a report card for this team, coaching staff, etc... we need a naughty or nice list thread.
Yzerman's refusal to fire Lalonde has become a punchline.
Klaus is a legitimate classic. Everyone should watch that.
Oh and The Holdovers is another instant classic.
I started Holdovers the other night, didn't finish though
The Holdovers was amazing
So the cameraman is so disinterested he can't even pop away from a doink flipping the bird behind DDK.
Dekeyser is probably mad he took the broadcasting job with the Wings. He could easily be one of their middle pairing Dmen.
9 shots on goal through 2
Couldn't we have signed Holloway for the equivalent of a 3rd rounder?
Lalonde couldn't hear a dump truck driving through a nitroglycerin plant!
Watching this game is like slurping from someone else's drool bucket.
Getting to the point where I want yzerman fired
Ok, name your favorite Red Wings guy as a character in a Christmas movie.
I feel like Lalonde could be Clark Griswold. Well meaning, clueless, just trying to get through, wants the best for everyone but just seems to fall short again and again
Absolutely astonishing that Holl is on the top pairing in 2024. Really feels like a soft-intentional tank.
Mickey would obviously be the narrator from A Christmas Story
Patrick Kane could be Miles Finch from Elf. Please come and save us from ourselves
Not watching. Any chants going?
Looks like the Wings will be pulling the goalie with about 4 minutes left not to score but to get the shots on goal into double digits.
Sean Avery as "Charlie in a Box".
I don't know if he's playing hurt but Larkin doesn't have his usual jump lately.
WTF is wrong with Compher this season? What a slow ass shot, it took him almost a full second to realize he had the puck on his blade.
what the heck happened to Compher this season
This teams inability to get shots on net is a huge indictment of Lalonde's system. This roster isn't good but it's better than getting fewer than 20 shots in like half their games.
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That last sequence a couple of minutes ago tells you everything right now.
Detroit can't get past the red line and when they finally do Larkin is easily knocked off the puck. Blues come right up the gut with ease for a quality scoring chance.
10 Receive pass
20 wait for shootinging lane to close
30 shooting lane closes
40 make pass
50 goto 10
Even a mild forecheck is this team's kryptonite.
Then on the rare occasion they gain the offensive zone, it's always along the perimeter, then they try a cross-ice pass across the zone through three opponents.
Just tuned in. Why is the GR guy doing the play by play?
-We need these vets even if we overpay to avoid a losing culture.
-Bottom 5 team in year 6 of rebuild.
Ken on assignment in Canada
Ken Daniels is locked in a room with Yzerman discussing who he wants for his assistant coaches
I'm done. I can't watch this garbage.
This commentator is boring.
6 years of rebuilding and the Blues have 9 players in in the WJC and we have 3
If I didn't have to go to work I would be drinking hot chocolate while being wrapped in blankets. Perfect sleeping conditions
We have four and two of ours are the reigning goaltender and dman of the tournament. Those two are better than anybody they are sending
Blues taking a page from the Wings book with all these icings
It's actually fun watching Holl wandering around the offensive zone.
I don't think they felt the nudge.
Can't imagine paying hundreds of dollars to attend some of these games...
10 I don't want the puck, here, you take it
20 goto 10
This wouldn't be as bad if Kasper/Danielson were producing more.
I think they just call it "the system"
This isn't a team.
This is a barrel of monkeys with no arms.
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oh goodie! Another hat trick on a pointless empty net
That's nice
That's not debris. That's a hockey team.
They need to change something up before this rot sets in as a permanent feature of the team's psychology.
Who called the goalie being pulled with 4 minutes left? Your sir are Lalonde apparently
goalpost. of course.
Even Buffalo is winning. Yikes
How many periods without a goal?
I have better hair actually.
It's a good thing we don't have any toughness either, I know I'd hate it if they at least took a bite out of their opponent before this pathetic game was over
I am shocked the wings aren't last in the league at this point.
There's no point throwing it in the crease because there's never a Wings player there.
They're all on the perimeter.
That was insulting.
If they got the goaltending they had last season, they probably would be. That's what's crazy, the goaltending has actually been pretty good.
Embarrassing
I'm assuming Lalonde leads with Ed and Chiarot being out, then blames Talbot for a soft goal.
brutal, awful performance.
Worst then 19-20 honestly because this team is a result of a rebuild.
I think this is finally rock bottom.
That's two in a row
That was one of the worst games I have seen them play. I know they have a ton of these issues all year and we have seen really bad ones in this 8 year run. But the pride factor especially after the weekend going into a break was embarrassing.
the upside is that we have kids in the pipeline who we can look forward to seeing next year. In 19/20 we had...hell, I don't even remember. Zadina?
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They've also had an easy schedule. They're tracking well for 3-4th overall at this point.
I honestly don't see any of our prospects as game changers. Literally zero. ASP looks promising but outside that, cupboard is bare for elite talent.
Fire them all.
ALL OF THEM!
Not sure I would say this is ACTUALLY the result of the rebuild. Draft picks are still developing.But your not wrong, obviously defeating that this is the result of several years of rebuilding the main roster through FA. It's not the end result, but it's pathetic non the less
these are the performances that get coaches fired. It's one thing to lose, it's another to lose like this.
We need to start playing some of them more to figure some things out. AlJo shouldn't be last in minutes with this goal in mind...
Gustafson played 1 second more than Seider tonight, because Lalonde.
I was fine keeping Lalonde to help the tank, but I'm getting worried he's going to permanently ruin the young guys.
Absolutely disgusting effort. My family had a Christmas pickup game that included ages 4 - 50 years old and we played with more intensity than this. Lifeless.
Poor Bob had a hell of a shitty game to call.
Lalonde is coaching for his job unfortunately. I don't think he's concerned with the development of prospects anymore. I really think it's going to be more, play the vets till the wheels come off.
What's even worse is that there's ZERO acknowledgement from the organization that anything is wrong. Rags lose 3 and a row and Drury comes out and tells fans it's not acceptable. We are one of the worst teams in the league and not a peep from Steve or anyone. In fact, where the f*** is Steve? He's been MIA since September. Team will continue to pretend everything is fine. So disrespectful to fans.
On the positive side Kasper's line looked the best tonight.
This product is so f***** bad man...
It's 2019-2020 all over again.
Rebuild the rebuilt rebuild
So depressing watching this team, I miss when hockey was fun to watch
Sometimes you pull the goalie just to kick the team in the butt.
Right?
I said it in game, I fully believe they have quit on him. I think when he bunkered on Friday to blow the game that was it and they punished him with the roster freeze the last two games.
We haven't played well for a while, but the last two games do look like an FU to the coaches.
The wheels are off
Keats and Mick breaking it down pretty well
I'm going to wait until tomorrow to say anything. If you don't have anything nice to say....
While typing that, I knew this was the only appropriate response. That said, I think Lalonde is going to continue to act as if they are not. We all see it, he may not
I hope they made Compher do the post game because other than faceoffs he was garbage tonight.
They have been driving on rims for a while.
Has Yzerman ever let a coach go mid-season?
Larkin looks so defeated in this post game interview omg.
Wow. Larks and Compher have the body language of two little boys in trouble with Mom...
Sigh.
Dylan stopping just short of saying "we're not playing as a team."
Disconnected pretty much covers it thought. No chemistry. Controller disconnected.
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Larkin looks lost… this is alarming
Probably, the worst performance "effort wise" I have seen over the last decade.
Ok after watching Larkin and Compher there, I think you need to fire Lalonde not to try and save the season, but to save morale from your players.
On the heels of a poor effort game, they doubled down. Completely agree, I know we have a lot of lows, but tonight really felt different in terms of just how bad they performed and seemed to care as it was unfolding.
yeah, he has been frustrated but tonight is different. talking about the disconnect and they are skating working but not accomplishing anything, which I agree with. I don't think he was trying to throw anyone under the bus, just wearing his emotion on his sleeve (for him) but that was an indictment on the coaching staff, intended or not.
Yeah thinking the same. It's fun to root for the tank, but starting to get worried he's causing permanent damage.
I know his salary doesn't get as much focus because of other worse contracts, but Debrincat isn't delivering his contract worth.
We should have just kept Blashill like I said from the beginning.
This.
I've come around to it now. This is not working, and needs to be excised before it metastasizes.
I believe it was intended. Both Copp and Kane have taken read between the lines shot at times in post-games.
I was skeptical of Lalonde after his 1st season...Waaaaaaay too similar to Blashill in just about every way.
Yzerman deserves all the criticism he gets.
Best part of the night has been this post game with Mick and the fights in the stands of that infamous Bruins game where Milbury hit a fan with his own shoe.
Yep yet again the clips from the 1970s are the most entertaining thing tonight
Yeah - unless he's generating offense he's rather invisible like his buddy Kaner.
Gallant time me thinks.
It was trash but on par with alot of this year.
Just think if there were cell phones back in the 80s...We'd be entertained watching Probert doing lines outta a strippers booty crack.
EDIT - ...at least I would be.
It"ll be good for Larkin to go play for team USA. It'll feel alot different playing on a competitive team.
The "loser culture", that the front office emphatically "tried" to avoid, has 100% been established within the DRW franchise
I think it was at the 86 to 90% mark while Blashill was still here...
Nah, this game really stood out to me.
Now this is ME saying this, but.
Dump LaLonde, go with Tanguay for the remainder. Like was said above - not for the season, but for the team. Then make a move off-season.
I think you mean Priority Waste Managementâ„¢ trash.
This.
The players are playing this bad to get rid of Lalonde as coach.
Zero effort for the coach or the guys in the room for about the 25th time this year. Time for a full on fire sale and coaching change.
That patch may have changed the trajectory of this entire rebuild.
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Lalonde:
"A little out of rhythm... A little fragile maybe. We need the break"
Holy shit they kept Lalonde's comments to like 20 seconds.
Damn, now Center Ice cuts out before Lalonde comes on.
I think Coach Q is inbound.
That would be quadrupling down on putting the trash patch on the Wings sweater.
I don't hate Tanguay taking over, but I still think it needs to be someone not there already.
I understand those that are against it for off ice reasons. However, this is going to be Yzerman's last coaching change, I don't see him leaving the best option out there assuming he is willing to come to the Wings.
Any Ted Lasso type hires that Yzerman can be on the lookout for?
Some hot shot lacrosse coach in division II?
This team is ass. Booty butt cheeks. Anus.
Yzerman has put the team in a terrible spot by not firing Lalonde early in the season. The writing was on the wall for so long, and now what, fire him when the season is already over?
Keeping him will demoralize the players and normalise this abysmal shitty play.
Yeah this game ought to be the one to cash the check on the coach. I don't think the right one needs to be hired now, but one of the assisstants needs to take over at least.
I would like Jay Woodcroft as new coach.
Lalonde should've cleaned out his office last spring.
This is 100% on Yzerman...We're well underway of another dismal season...Why bother addressing it now when it should've been handled months ago.
Who hasn't. Wait what did I just say
At this point, I don't care if Quenneville brings MOD... Maybe Adam Foote for assistant coach and Chris Pronger as PK specialist.
Anybody but this coaching staff.
Bring back Blashill
Or Bring Roy ,who should also get fired
Can't wait to see Ovie destroy them Sunday*!
Lalonde thinks the fans are booing because they have seen the level of play this team is capable of, and this is not it. No bud, the team play just sucks
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No. Larks is my touchstone to the past teams, the only player I've watched come up from rookie, and the heart and soul of my fandom these days.
I do see the symmetry in adding a trash human to go with the trash patch. Might as well go all in and hire Richard Gnida as Zamboni driver.
Really? I"˜m already past that. It's Mo and Ray for me.
Count me in as not having an issue with Coach Q behind the bench.
Larkin for 3 first round picks including an unprotected Nashville 1st? You'd be completely insane to not accept that. Nashville wouldn't offer their 1st for Raymond or Seider.
In that hypothetical we could come out of the draft with Hagens and Martone. That would be insane.
Count me in for the opposite. Don't want to see that low character as****e anywhere near our team.
Plus, why even go there when Gallant is available, who would be a huge upgrade over Lalonde, too.
If you don't approve of Coach Q - okay then - but what about guys like Kane who was on that team and had some interesting off ice experiences?
As for Gallant - sign me up! The only knock on him from what I've read is that he's not much of a Xs & Os type but more of a motivator.
Exactly what this team needs imo
Cut the tape this team stinks
Hope we move up in lottery for once no matter where we finish.
At this point - I agree...They need to look as though they enjoy playing the game and not forced into a system that clearly hasn't worked...Freewheeling hockey.
No hesitation
I'm watching the Canucks San Jose game, mostly just to hear Kenny call the game.
Canucks in the old school sweaters are nice too
Ovie isn't playing until after the break. The Wings like to gift hat tricks to bottom end players, so it'll probably be Duhaime with the hatty Saturday.