Great replacement.... another score by Army.Beatoni12 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:47 pm For a million less and a year shorter than Schwartz, hard to complain about this deal. I was worried when it sounded like there were many teams chasing him, that he’d cost too much but that’s not bad at all.
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303Army strikes again. Now, he can deal with Tarasenko when the right deal is available. Whatever leverage Tank thought he had, just melted away.
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304You know what’s funny is, we all said getting the defense restructured was a must, but that’s on hold. Just shows you how much shit this team has to address. In Army we trust.
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305I don't think our D is that bad really; we just have had a lot of turnover on both forwards and Dmen the previous two seasons, plus so many distractions, and honestly Binnington hasn't been his best the last two years either. I think this group will surprise some folks this coming year.BillP. wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:41 pm You know what’s funny is, we all said getting the defense restructured was a must, but that’s on hold. Just shows you how much shit this team has to address. In Army we trust.
Krug/Faulk
Scandella/Parayko
Mikkola-Walman/Bortz-Santini
Good mix of size and skill to be honest. They just need to gel together and get better support from Binnington and the forwards.
Outside of moving Tarasenko for something unremarkable (probably a 3rd or 4rth pick and a prospect), I don't see DA making too many more moves until he sees how THIS team performs. Got to give these 22-25 y/o 'kids' a chance to shine: especially Wallman, Mikkola, Thomas, Kyrou, and Kostin. And who knows if a prospect or camp walk-in shows up and surprises us, like Hoffman did last season.
Let's GO BLUES!!!
"Do Only Good Everyday"
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306I suspect that's what he's looking to do with any Tarasenko trade. It'd surely be easier to trade a scoring winger for defense, rather than for another scoring winger.BillP. wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:41 pm You know what’s funny is, we all said getting the defense restructured was a must, but that’s on hold. Just shows you how much shit this team has to address. In Army we trust.
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307Trade Krug and keep Vova... Vova’s too hard to deal when you look at his salary for this year. He’ll be much easier to deal next year when his salary drops. If he gets happy again, he may retire here.RAFritchey wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:20 pmI suspect that's what he's looking to do with any Tarasenko trade. It'd surely be easier to trade a scoring winger for defense, rather than for another scoring winger.BillP. wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:41 pm You know what’s funny is, we all said getting the defense restructured was a must, but that’s on hold. Just shows you how much shit this team has to address. In Army we trust.
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308Don't be Saad, Bill. It will all come together.BillP. wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:57 pmI don't know. Who did he play with in Colorado? Who were his linemates? I mean if it was Mack, then he's had some good linemates the past few years with Kane, etc........................he's okay, I just want to bitch.................I want some beef in the lineup...................I know Hoffman is paper but he can score the "wow" goal.............................if we get Tkachuk without giving up Thomas and Kyrou, then this team will suddenly look enticing again....................what's the chances Brady pulls the same thing in Ottawa?.................can you imagine?Dave's a mess wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:33 pmBill, that's why we're paying him $1.5 million less than he was making 4 years ago. I don't understand why age matters for this one random down year for Saad, but not for Hoffman...who is 3 years older and much worse at hockey when he's not ripping a one timer. To each there own I suppose.BillP. wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:37 pm
Cause, 4 years ago he was a lot younger. His numbers were better in Columbus than Chicago. We're not going to get his best. I'd rather the Blues go another route. Guess DA doesn't have much else on the burner.................we'll see
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309Why trade Krug? He's gone through his adjustment phase and was really racking up the points by the end of the season. He's going to have a great year.Turk Sanderson wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:24 pmTrade Krug and keep Vova... Vova’s too hard to deal when you look at his salary for this year. He’ll be much easier to deal next year when his salary drops. If he gets happy again, he may retire here.RAFritchey wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:20 pmI suspect that's what he's looking to do with any Tarasenko trade. It'd surely be easier to trade a scoring winger for defense, rather than for another scoring winger.BillP. wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:41 pm You know what’s funny is, we all said getting the defense restructured was a must, but that’s on hold. Just shows you how much shit this team has to address. In Army we trust.
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310Simple... he makes too much money for what he brings to the table... we have players that can grow into that role for a fraction of the cost.BluesSK wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:51 pmWhy trade Krug? He's gone through his adjustment phase and was really racking up the points by the end of the season. He's going to have a great year.Turk Sanderson wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:24 pmTrade Krug and keep Vova... Vova’s too hard to deal when you look at his salary for this year. He’ll be much easier to deal next year when his salary drops. If he gets happy again, he may retire here.RAFritchey wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:20 pm
I suspect that's what he's looking to do with any Tarasenko trade. It'd surely be easier to trade a scoring winger for defense, rather than for another scoring winger.
The Blues need payroll flexibility and a couple of hooners. Re-sign Bozie and lets rock and roll.
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311He was in the top twenty of Dman scoring at .63 ppg and plus eleven. There aren't a lot of dmen in the League with those kind of numbers. He's gonna have a great season.Turk Sanderson wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:25 pmSimple... he makes too much money for what he brings to the table... we have players that can grow into that role for a fraction of the cost.BluesSK wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:51 pmWhy trade Krug? He's gone through his adjustment phase and was really racking up the points by the end of the season. He's going to have a great year.Turk Sanderson wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:24 pm
Trade Krug and keep Vova... Vova’s too hard to deal when you look at his salary for this year. He’ll be much easier to deal next year when his salary drops. If he gets happy again, he may retire here.
The Blues need payroll flexibility and a couple of hooners. Re-sign Bozie and lets rock and roll.
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312What this defense needs more than anything else, is a healthy Parayako. If he's right, everybody else gets better.
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3132G+30A Regular Season .... 0G+2A Playoffs... @ 4Million...Next year ...@ 4Million... 22-23... @ 8Million ...23-24... @ 8.5Million...24-25.... @ 8.5Million...BluesSK wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:31 pmHe was in the top twenty of Dman scoring at .63 ppg and plus eleven. There aren't a lot of dmen in the League with those kind of numbers. He's gonna have a great season.Turk Sanderson wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:25 pmSimple... he makes too much money for what he brings to the table... we have players that can grow into that role for a fraction of the cost.BluesSK wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:51 pm
Why trade Krug? He's gone through his adjustment phase and was really racking up the points by the end of the season. He's going to have a great year.
The Blues need payroll flexibility and a couple of hooners. Re-sign Bozie and lets rock and roll.
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314I say this as not a Krug fan at all but we have absolutely no one that can play his minutes within right now.Turk Sanderson wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:25 pmSimple... he makes too much money for what he brings to the table... we have players that can grow into that role for a fraction of the cost.BluesSK wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:51 pmWhy trade Krug? He's gone through his adjustment phase and was really racking up the points by the end of the season. He's going to have a great year.Turk Sanderson wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:24 pm
Trade Krug and keep Vova... Vova’s too hard to deal when you look at his salary for this year. He’ll be much easier to deal next year when his salary drops. If he gets happy again, he may retire here.
The Blues need payroll flexibility and a couple of hooners. Re-sign Bozie and lets rock and roll.
Mikkola? Probably not
Walman? Nope.
Perunovich? Not even close, plus he's RD
Scandella as your top LD? Yikes.
We need Krug.
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315We need Krug...but GOD damn...I wish we didn'tratonmono wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:13 pmI say this as not a Krug fan at all but we have absolutely no one that can play his minutes within right now.Turk Sanderson wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:25 pmSimple... he makes too much money for what he brings to the table... we have players that can grow into that role for a fraction of the cost.BluesSK wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:51 pm
Why trade Krug? He's gone through his adjustment phase and was really racking up the points by the end of the season. He's going to have a great year.
The Blues need payroll flexibility and a couple of hooners. Re-sign Bozie and lets rock and roll.
Mikkola? Probably not
Walman? Nope.
Perunovich? Not even close, plus he's RD
Scandella as your top LD? Yikes.
We need Krug.
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316I'm just not all bricked-up over the guy like some people are... especially at the money he makes, and is going to make in a couple of years. Boston let him walk for a reason.CaptSMRT wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:19 pmWe need Krug...but GOD damn...I wish we didn'tratonmono wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:13 pmI say this as not a Krug fan at all but we have absolutely no one that can play his minutes within right now.Turk Sanderson wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:25 pm
Simple... he makes too much money for what he brings to the table... we have players that can grow into that role for a fraction of the cost.
The Blues need payroll flexibility and a couple of hooners. Re-sign Bozie and lets rock and roll.
Mikkola? Probably not
Walman? Nope.
Perunovich? Not even close, plus he's RD
Scandella as your top LD? Yikes.
We need Krug.
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317Turk Sanderson wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:22 pmI'm just not all bricked-up over the guy like some people are... especially at the money he makes, and is going to make in a couple of years. Boston let him walk for a reason.CaptSMRT wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:19 pmWe need Krug...but GOD damn...I wish we didn'tratonmono wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:13 pm
I say this as not a Krug fan at all but we have absolutely no one that can play his minutes within right now.
Mikkola? Probably not
Walman? Nope.
Perunovich? Not even close, plus he's RD
Scandella as your top LD? Yikes.
We need Krug.
That hit on Thomas was the most hockey thing he ever did...
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318I'm not in love with the guy but he's got value.
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319Ha Ha that’s my lineBluesSK wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:48 pmDon't be Saad, Bill. It will all come together.BillP. wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:57 pmI don't know. Who did he play with in Colorado? Who were his linemates? I mean if it was Mack, then he's had some good linemates the past few years with Kane, etc........................he's okay, I just want to bitch.................I want some beef in the lineup...................I know Hoffman is paper but he can score the "wow" goal.............................if we get Tkachuk without giving up Thomas and Kyrou, then this team will suddenly look enticing again....................what's the chances Brady pulls the same thing in Ottawa?.................can you imagine?Dave's a mess wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:33 pm
Bill, that's why we're paying him $1.5 million less than he was making 4 years ago. I don't understand why age matters for this one random down year for Saad, but not for Hoffman...who is 3 years older and much worse at hockey when he's not ripping a one timer. To each there own I suppose.
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320Yeah, for a subdue year, his numbers show how well he fought thru it and managed. Sign of a pro. He’ll breakout soon for us and really excel.BluesSK wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:31 pmHe was in the top twenty of Dman scoring at .63 ppg and plus eleven. There aren't a lot of dmen in the League with those kind of numbers. He's gonna have a great season.Turk Sanderson wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:25 pmSimple... he makes too much money for what he brings to the table... we have players that can grow into that role for a fraction of the cost.BluesSK wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:51 pm
Why trade Krug? He's gone through his adjustment phase and was really racking up the points by the end of the season. He's going to have a great year.
The Blues need payroll flexibility and a couple of hooners. Re-sign Bozie and lets rock and roll.
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321This is so damn true. I get the Krug debate, but Parayko is really the key. Krug was pretty good once he got settled in. If Parayko is playing his shut down role well, things fall in to place a bit more. I think it'd be worthwhile to add another D if there's one available.barnburner wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:35 pm What this defense needs more than anything else, is a healthy Parayako. If he's right, everybody else gets better.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!
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322I get that logic regarding Tarasenko being easier to trade when his actual salary drops from 9.5 to 5.5, but that assumes he A. Stays healthy B. Decides to actually play C. Resembles something like his old self if he does play.Turk Sanderson wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:24 pmTrade Krug and keep Vova... Vova’s too hard to deal when you look at his salary for this year. He’ll be much easier to deal next year when his salary drops. If he gets happy again, he may retire here.RAFritchey wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:20 pmI suspect that's what he's looking to do with any Tarasenko trade. It'd surely be easier to trade a scoring winger for defense, rather than for another scoring winger.BillP. wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:41 pm You know what’s funny is, we all said getting the defense restructured was a must, but that’s on hold. Just shows you how much shit this team has to address. In Army we trust.
I think that if he's still on the roster in October, he wouldn't sit out, but the other two factors are big risks. I think you could just as easily make the argument that his value will only be lower this time next year. You're certainly trading him for a lower return than you would've gotten say 2 years ago, but c'est la vie. I don't know what the return will look like, but I have to imagine if you don't trade him soon, you risk that the return will be 0 or even negative value.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!
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323Agreed. Not to mention the possible effect of his possible discontent might have on this years team. Teams have a certain amount of questions about Tarasenko now - health, attitude, etc. Without a complete turnaround, his trade value next year might be almost 4th line level. I think Army will dump him by the trade deadline.Dave's a mess wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:34 amI get that logic regarding Tarasenko being easier to trade when his actual salary drops from 9.5 to 5.5, but that assumes he A. Stays healthy B. Decides to actually play C. Resembles something like his old self if he does play.Turk Sanderson wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:24 pmTrade Krug and keep Vova... Vova’s too hard to deal when you look at his salary for this year. He’ll be much easier to deal next year when his salary drops. If he gets happy again, he may retire here.RAFritchey wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:20 pm
I suspect that's what he's looking to do with any Tarasenko trade. It'd surely be easier to trade a scoring winger for defense, rather than for another scoring winger.
I think that if he's still on the roster in October, he wouldn't sit out, but the other two factors are big risks. I think you could just as easily make the argument that his value will only be lower this time next year. You're certainly trading him for a lower return than you would've gotten say 2 years ago, but c'est la vie. I don't know what the return will look like, but I have to imagine if you don't trade him soon, you risk that the return will be 0 or even negative value.
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324Fuck, with all the whining about Krug, I thought I was reading the Asylum for a minute!
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325Fuck that shithole.... no-one is calling each other names, or threatening to burn anyone's house down.... just having a logical discussion about possible moves to improve the team.Matangama wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:09 am Fuck, with all the whining about Krug, I thought I was reading the Asylum for a minute!