Petro mega-thread
1yikes that a big contract. but, at least it's petro. new owner isn't fucking around.
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Jaybo is already 31 yrs old, and is not physical. When he loses a step it's not gonna be good.Oates2Hullie450 wrote:Yes on Junland's beard, and yes it would be optimal to just trade J-Bo, but the problem is A.-I doubt we would get much with his contract and B.-Bouwmeester is and LHD. I've said before that I would rather trade Shatty, not because I don't like him but because I feel Pietrangelo is the better Defensive guy. When it comes to your number one defenseman, I'd rather take a defensive guy who can chip in offensively than vice-versa. However Both Petro and Shatty are high end talents...not to mention you never know what Parayko can become.
I'm finding it amazing how OVER-valued Petro is. His contract is good relative to his skill set, but the idea that he is the glue holding that team together is a farce. His TOI could VERY WELL be compensated for and the team might actually benefit from a fresher set of legs out there more often. I really dislike the discussion about keeping Petro at all costs including not signing Shattenkirk. Especially after we saw what happened to the power play when Shattenkirk was out. Shatty could handle some of the defensive load if Petro was gone tomorrow. Petro has PROVEN he can't step up to help this team on the other end of the ice.STL fan in IA wrote:I'm finding it amazing how undervalued Petro is becoming with some Blues fans. He's not super flashy in the O zone anymore but the entire team runs through him. He's one of the best transitional D in the world. He's only missed something like 3 games his entire career so perhaps him always being there has resulting in people not realizing just what a huge hole would be created if here were gone.
IMO, the one player that would hurt the Blues to lose the most would be Petro. Yes, even over Tarasenko...although it'd be close. Petro plays half of every game (most icetime in the entire league). Filling that void and his D and transitional work would be near impossible. His transitional work prevents many goals and also leads to a lot of Blues offense (whether Petro ends up getting an assist out of it or not, he's the leader on the team in getting the puck moving in the direction of the opposition's net). He's irreplaceable...unless he's traded for a comparable d-man...but why? Not happening.
Shatty is a good offensive d-man but he can't really even hold Petro's jock in the other aspects of the game. He's good transitionally but Petro is phenomenal in transitions.
That said, I try to find a way to keep all 3 righties and find a way to pay Shatty. He is also very valuable, especially on the PP. He's easier to replace than Petro but still quite valuable and quite hard to replace.
PASS THE TURKEY!
And if any of these guys are traded it better not be for a winger. We already have at least 3 1st pairing caliber wingers in Tarasenko, Schwartz and Steen. And Fabbri could possibly reach that tier in time as well. What the Blues could use is a legit top line center. If Shatty can return that, great. If not, find a way to re-sign Shatty as IMO it wouldn't be worth trading him for another lower tier #1C. We don't need one of those as we already have one in Stastny.
Can't say I see how petro is over valued. As already mentioned we have never seen the Blues without petro long term to give us an accurate idea of what our defense and transition would look like without him. Saying the minutes petro eats up could be replaced by others rather easily is simply not true. Shatty is nowhere near the level of petro defensively. Shatty does not play against other teams top lines 30 minutes a game like petro does and if he did the flaws in his defensive game would be much more apparent. I also do not understand where the idea that petro does not produce offensively comes from. He has 227 points in 408 games giving .56 points per game average and has 12 points in 26 playoff games giving him .46 point per game average in the playoffs. I will take that any day for a defenseman who is as good as petro is defensively.Notebly Blue wrote:I'm finding it amazing how OVER-valued Petro is. His contract is good relative to his skill set, but the idea that he is the glue holding that team together is a farce. His TOI could VERY WELL be compensated for and the team might actually benefit from a fresher set of legs out there more often. I really dislike the discussion about keeping Petro at all costs including not signing Shattenkirk. Especially after we saw what happened to the power play when Shattenkirk was out. Shatty could handle some of the defensive load if Petro was gone tomorrow. Petro has PROVEN he can't step up to help this team on the other end of the ice.STL fan in IA wrote:I'm finding it amazing how undervalued Petro is becoming with some Blues fans. He's not super flashy in the O zone anymore but the entire team runs through him. He's one of the best transitional D in the world. He's only missed something like 3 games his entire career so perhaps him always being there has resulting in people not realizing just what a huge hole would be created if here were gone.
IMO, the one player that would hurt the Blues to lose the most would be Petro. Yes, even over Tarasenko...although it'd be close. Petro plays half of every game (most icetime in the entire league). Filling that void and his D and transitional work would be near impossible. His transitional work prevents many goals and also leads to a lot of Blues offense (whether Petro ends up getting an assist out of it or not, he's the leader on the team in getting the puck moving in the direction of the opposition's net). He's irreplaceable...unless he's traded for a comparable d-man...but why? Not happening.
Shatty is a good offensive d-man but he can't really even hold Petro's jock in the other aspects of the game. He's good transitionally but Petro is phenomenal in transitions.
That said, I try to find a way to keep all 3 righties and find a way to pay Shatty. He is also very valuable, especially on the PP. He's easier to replace than Petro but still quite valuable and quite hard to replace.
PASS THE TURKEY!
And if any of these guys are traded it better not be for a winger. We already have at least 3 1st pairing caliber wingers in Tarasenko, Schwartz and Steen. And Fabbri could possibly reach that tier in time as well. What the Blues could use is a legit top line center. If Shatty can return that, great. If not, find a way to re-sign Shatty as IMO it wouldn't be worth trading him for another lower tier #1C. We don't need one of those as we already have one in Stastny.
PASS THE TURKEY
Well then, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I won't wish an injiry upon him just so it would open others eyes but I think if Petro missed time like Shatty has recently, folks would see just how valuable he is...and I think it's ludicrous to think that his 27-30 min/night could "easily" be replaced by other d-men that are defensively inferior to him.Notebly Blue wrote:I'm finding it amazing how OVER-valued Petro is. His contract is good relative to his skill set, but the idea that he is the glue holding that team together is a farce. His TOI could VERY WELL be compensated for and the team might actually benefit from a fresher set of legs out there more often. I really dislike the discussion about keeping Petro at all costs including not signing Shattenkirk. Especially after we saw what happened to the power play when Shattenkirk was out. Shatty could handle some of the defensive load if Petro was gone tomorrow. Petro has PROVEN he can't step up to help this team on the other end of the ice.STL fan in IA wrote:I'm finding it amazing how undervalued Petro is becoming with some Blues fans. He's not super flashy in the O zone anymore but the entire team runs through him. He's one of the best transitional D in the world. He's only missed something like 3 games his entire career so perhaps him always being there has resulting in people not realizing just what a huge hole would be created if here were gone.
IMO, the one player that would hurt the Blues to lose the most would be Petro. Yes, even over Tarasenko...although it'd be close. Petro plays half of every game (most icetime in the entire league). Filling that void and his D and transitional work would be near impossible. His transitional work prevents many goals and also leads to a lot of Blues offense (whether Petro ends up getting an assist out of it or not, he's the leader on the team in getting the puck moving in the direction of the opposition's net). He's irreplaceable...unless he's traded for a comparable d-man...but why? Not happening.
Shatty is a good offensive d-man but he can't really even hold Petro's jock in the other aspects of the game. He's good transitionally but Petro is phenomenal in transitions.
That said, I try to find a way to keep all 3 righties and find a way to pay Shatty. He is also very valuable, especially on the PP. He's easier to replace than Petro but still quite valuable and quite hard to replace.
PASS THE TURKEY!
And if any of these guys are traded it better not be for a winger. We already have at least 3 1st pairing caliber wingers in Tarasenko, Schwartz and Steen. And Fabbri could possibly reach that tier in time as well. What the Blues could use is a legit top line center. If Shatty can return that, great. If not, find a way to re-sign Shatty as IMO it wouldn't be worth trading him for another lower tier #1C. We don't need one of those as we already have one in Stastny.
PASS THE TURKEY
Move Petro to the left side. When he shoots from the left side, he hits the net.MissouriMook wrote:I mentioned this over on HF last night, but what about finding a trade partner for Shatty who has the left-handed equivalent of Shatty? It wouldn't really be just shuffling deck chairs, as handedness matters to an awful lot of people in the NHL. OEL is an example, though I doubt that is something the Coyotes would consider. Is there a left-handed equivalent of Shatty out there in the NHL playing for a team that has the opposite problem as we do, too many quality LHD to play in the Top 4?
I did a little research (and I do mean "a little") after I posted this and two interesting names bubbled to the surface - Morgan Rielly and TJ Brodie. The Leafs probably aren't at all interested in moving Rielly, but their top 3 D (Rielly, Phaneuf and Gardiner) are all lefties. Brodie will likely end up being the #1 in Calgary, but Gio-Shatty would make a nice top pairing and they would still have Russell-Hamilton for the 2nd pairing.Turk Sanderson wrote:Move Petro to the left side. When he shoots from the left side, he hits the net.MissouriMook wrote:I mentioned this over on HF last night, but what about finding a trade partner for Shatty who has the left-handed equivalent of Shatty? It wouldn't really be just shuffling deck chairs, as handedness matters to an awful lot of people in the NHL. OEL is an example, though I doubt that is something the Coyotes would consider. Is there a left-handed equivalent of Shatty out there in the NHL playing for a team that has the opposite problem as we do, too many quality LHD to play in the Top 4?
For a couple reasons. Petro signed his contract as an RFA limiting his options. He also signed his contract before some of the large deals that have been recently signed by top defenseman in the league. On the other hand Shatty will be a UFA and have the ability to go to the open market or at least use it as a bargaining chip which will inflate his cost. Then factor in the contracts defenseman of Shatty's caliber have signed after petro's contract and you have some more chips to bargin with again inflating his price. I don't know what it will cost to sign him but I do know if he goes to the open market he will be highly sought after and I could see a team offering him 7.5-9 million a year.Ozzies09tc wrote:How is shatty going to get "8.5" or more a yr when he's "not as good as petro" making 6.5?
Excuse my ignorance, but i'm confused
Aaahhhhhh i forgot about the ufa vs rfa contractual basis.TR-USA wrote:For a couple reasons. Petro signed his contract as an RFA limiting his options. He also signed his contract before some of the large deals that have been recently signed by top defenseman in the league. On the other hand Shatty will be a UFA and have the ability to go to the open market or at least use it as a bargaining chip which will inflate his cost. Then factor in the contracts defenseman of Shatty's caliber have signed after petro's contract and you have some more chips to barginOzzies09tc wrote:How is shatty going to get "8.5" or more a yr when he's "not as good as petro" making 6.5?
Excuse my ignorance, but i'm confused
with again inflating his price. I don't know what it will cost to sign him but I do know if he goes to the open market he will be highly sought after and I could see a team offering him 7.5-9 million a year.