Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:38 am

Matangama wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 8:38 am I’m not sure if St. Louis was “used” by Tkachuk in this whole process or not. We never heard anything from him, obviously, saying he only wanted to play here. This seems to be more a case of Strickland and others driving that narrative. In reality, MT just wanted out of Canada and then wanted his huge bag of money. He doesn’t give a fuck where he plays, as long as it’s not in Canada. Oh well……fuck him, and now Army needs to get to work.

I'm starting to think Army is just going to try and run it back with pretty much the team in place and take one more shot at it. If it flops, and it very well could if JB50 of last regular season shows up again, I think the do a minor rebuild of moving on from ROR and Tarasenko and start to build the roster around Thomas, Kyrou, and Barbashev.

Hell, maybe Colorado and Nate Mac can't figure out a deal and St Louis use that 15 million to steal him away. I can dream, right? RIGHT?! Pastrnak is up too.

stlblues1226 wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:34 am I actually think that another possible option for what happened was that Calgary wasn't going to give Tkachuk what he wanted without making a killing. Now, hear me out before you tell me I'm bat shit crazy (which I probably am, but that's not to point I'm trying to make here).

Everyone knew Tkachuk wanted to play in St. Louis. And we all know that Tkachuk was going to get a great return, no matter where he went. So, Calgary decides that since Tkachuk wants to go to St. Louis it would take a kings ransom plus to make that trade happen. For my example, let's say Calgary wanted Parayko, Kyrou, Kostin, and a 1st. No way in hell Armstrong makes that deal.

I really trust Armstrong to not cripple the team just to get the deal done, and I believe what Calgary wanted from the Blues would have done just that. I may not have had the deal exactly right, but I really think the price for the Blues was going to be higher than for another team. Look what Calgary got from Florida. If I'm right, then St. Louis would need to have topped that offer significantly.

I would have loved to have had Tkachuk wearing the blue note, but not for what I think Calgary wanted from the Blues. There, I've said what I came here to say.

BluesSK wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:52 am

stlblues1226 wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:34 am I actually think that another possible option for what happened was that Calgary wasn't going to give Tkachuk what he wanted without making a killing. Now, hear me out before you tell me I'm bat shit crazy (which I probably am, but that's not to point I'm trying to make here).

Everyone knew Tkachuk wanted to play in St. Louis. And we all know that Tkachuk was going to get a great return, no matter where he went. So, Calgary decides that since Tkachuk wants to go to St. Louis it would take a kings ransom plus to make that trade happen. For my example, let's say Calgary wanted Parayko, Kyrou, Kostin, and a 1st. No way in hell Armstrong makes that deal.

I really trust Armstrong to not cripple the team just to get the deal done, and I believe what Calgary wanted from the Blues would have done just that. I may not have had the deal exactly right, but I really think the price for the Blues was going to be higher than for another team. Look what Calgary got from Florida. If I'm right, then St. Louis would need to have topped that offer significantly.

I would have loved to have had Tkachuk wearing the blue note, but not for what I think Calgary wanted from the Blues. There, I've said what I came here to say.

Tkachuk signed the extension. If he really wanted to go to St Louis he could have just played out his contract.

Florida has a real beneficial tax structure right?

Pretty sure it was about the money.

BillP. wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:16 am

BluesSK wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:52 am

stlblues1226 wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:34 am I actually think that another possible option for what happened was that Calgary wasn't going to give Tkachuk what he wanted without making a killing. Now, hear me out before you tell me I'm bat shit crazy (which I probably am, but that's not to point I'm trying to make here).

Everyone knew Tkachuk wanted to play in St. Louis. And we all know that Tkachuk was going to get a great return, no matter where he went. So, Calgary decides that since Tkachuk wants to go to St. Louis it would take a kings ransom plus to make that trade happen. For my example, let's say Calgary wanted Parayko, Kyrou, Kostin, and a 1st. No way in hell Armstrong makes that deal.

I really trust Armstrong to not cripple the team just to get the deal done, and I believe what Calgary wanted from the Blues would have done just that. I may not have had the deal exactly right, but I really think the price for the Blues was going to be higher than for another team. Look what Calgary got from Florida. If I'm right, then St. Louis would need to have topped that offer significantly.

I would have loved to have had Tkachuk wearing the blue note, but not for what I think Calgary wanted from the Blues. There, I've said what I came here to say.

Tkachuk signed the extension. If he really wanted to go to St Louis he could have just played out his contract.

Florida has a real beneficial tax structure right?

Pretty sure it was about the money.

Hope he enjoys playing in an empty arena.

BillP. wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:16 am

BluesSK wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:52 am

stlblues1226 wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:34 am I actually think that another possible option for what happened was that Calgary wasn't going to give Tkachuk what he wanted without making a killing. Now, hear me out before you tell me I'm bat shit crazy (which I probably am, but that's not to point I'm trying to make here).

Everyone knew Tkachuk wanted to play in St. Louis. And we all know that Tkachuk was going to get a great return, no matter where he went. So, Calgary decides that since Tkachuk wants to go to St. Louis it would take a kings ransom plus to make that trade happen. For my example, let's say Calgary wanted Parayko, Kyrou, Kostin, and a 1st. No way in hell Armstrong makes that deal.

I really trust Armstrong to not cripple the team just to get the deal done, and I believe what Calgary wanted from the Blues would have done just that. I may not have had the deal exactly right, but I really think the price for the Blues was going to be higher than for another team. Look what Calgary got from Florida. If I'm right, then St. Louis would need to have topped that offer significantly.

I would have loved to have had Tkachuk wearing the blue note, but not for what I think Calgary wanted from the Blues. There, I've said what I came here to say.

Tkachuk signed the extension. If he really wanted to go to St Louis he could have just played out his contract.

Florida has a real beneficial tax structure right?

Pretty sure it was about the money.

Hope he enjoys playing in an empty arena.

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:19 pm On the record I would’ve traded Kyrou Parayko Kostin and a 1st for Tkachuk

Matangama wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:38 pm

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:19 pm On the record I would’ve traded Kyrou Parayko Kostin and a 1st for Tkachuk

Woof!

I would say that if you are actually willing to trade all of that, you could make two or three separate deals and end up in a much better place. All of that for Tkachuk? No thanks.

Dave's a mess wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:40 pm Man I really don't understand all the sour grapes towards Tkachuk. Calgary (wisely) decides they have to trade him since he won't sign there long term, so he tells them the teams he'd be willing to sign. At that point it's just a matter of Calgary picking which offer it likes the best, and letting Tkachuk and that team's GM work out a deal. Unless he said he'd only sign with the Blues, this was a possible outcome. If Calgary feels confident they can extend Weegar/Huberdeau, the Blues didn't really have a package that could compete with that anyway. If they did, I don't think he'd be worth it.

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:38 pm

BillP. wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:16 am

BluesSK wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:52 am

Tkachuk signed the extension. If he really wanted to go to St Louis he could have just played out his contract.

Florida has a real beneficial tax structure right?

Pretty sure it was about the money.

Hope he enjoys playing in an empty arena.

Believe it or not Florida had better attendance numbers in % to capacity and average per game than CalGary

BluesSK wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:48 pm

Dave's a mess wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:40 pm Man I really don't understand all the sour grapes towards Tkachuk. Calgary (wisely) decides they have to trade him since he won't sign there long term, so he tells them the teams he'd be willing to sign. At that point it's just a matter of Calgary picking which offer it likes the best, and letting Tkachuk and that team's GM work out a deal. Unless he said he'd only sign with the Blues, this was a possible outcome. If Calgary feels confident they can extend Weegar/Huberdeau, the Blues didn't really have a package that could compete with that anyway. If they did, I don't think he'd be worth it.

Fans are miffed because he really didn't want to sign with the Blues. They were just another team.

Sour grapes. Yeah, maybe. Lots of disappointment though.

Dave's a mess wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:40 pm Man I really don't understand all the sour grapes towards Tkachuk. Calgary (wisely) decides they have to trade him since he won't sign there long term, so he tells them the teams he'd be willing to sign. At that point it's just a matter of Calgary picking which offer it likes the best, and letting Tkachuk and that team's GM work out a deal. Unless he said he'd only sign with the Blues, this was a possible outcome. If Calgary feels confident they can extend Weegar/Huberdeau, the Blues didn't really have a package that could compete with that anyway. If they did, I don't think he'd be worth it.

BluesSK wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:48 pm

Dave's a mess wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:40 pm Man I really don't understand all the sour grapes towards Tkachuk. Calgary (wisely) decides they have to trade him since he won't sign there long term, so he tells them the teams he'd be willing to sign. At that point it's just a matter of Calgary picking which offer it likes the best, and letting Tkachuk and that team's GM work out a deal. Unless he said he'd only sign with the Blues, this was a possible outcome. If Calgary feels confident they can extend Weegar/Huberdeau, the Blues didn't really have a package that could compete with that anyway. If they did, I don't think he'd be worth it.

Fans are miffed because he really didn't want to sign with the Blues. They were just another team.

Sour grapes. Yeah, maybe. Lots of disappointment though.

BillP. wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 1:07 pm

Dave's a mess wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:40 pm Man I really don't understand all the sour grapes towards Tkachuk. Calgary (wisely) decides they have to trade him since he won't sign there long term, so he tells them the teams he'd be willing to sign. At that point it's just a matter of Calgary picking which offer it likes the best, and letting Tkachuk and that team's GM work out a deal. Unless he said he'd only sign with the Blues, this was a possible outcome. If Calgary feels confident they can extend Weegar/Huberdeau, the Blues didn't really have a package that could compete with that anyway. If they did, I don't think he'd be worth it.

I could understand the lure of the Big Apple or LA, but outside of that, I thought it was St Louis all the way. If Matt really wanted to be here, he could of driven that deal to a take it or leave it with STL. He’d of gotten his money here. Just frustrating. Thought he really was going to drive this to STL one way or another and that wasn’t the case. He’ll get bored in Florida if they end up sucking again and it wouldn’t surprise if ends up wanting out of there. Would of been a fan favorite here. Sometimes you wonder if these guys have anything upstairs.

BillP. wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 1:07 pm

Dave's a mess wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:40 pm Man I really don't understand all the sour grapes towards Tkachuk. Calgary (wisely) decides they have to trade him since he won't sign there long term, so he tells them the teams he'd be willing to sign. At that point it's just a matter of Calgary picking which offer it likes the best, and letting Tkachuk and that team's GM work out a deal. Unless he said he'd only sign with the Blues, this was a possible outcome. If Calgary feels confident they can extend Weegar/Huberdeau, the Blues didn't really have a package that could compete with that anyway. If they did, I don't think he'd be worth it.

I could understand the lure of the Big Apple or LA, but outside of that, I thought it was St Louis all the way. If Matt really wanted to be here, he could of driven that deal to a take it or leave it with STL. He’d of gotten his money here. Just frustrating. Thought he really was going to drive this to STL one way or another and that wasn’t the case. He’ll get bored in Florida if they end up sucking again and it wouldn’t surprise if ends up wanting out of there. Would of been a fan favorite here. Sometimes you wonder if these guys have anything upstairs.

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:45 pm

BillP. wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 1:07 pm

Dave's a mess wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:40 pm Man I really don't understand all the sour grapes towards Tkachuk. Calgary (wisely) decides they have to trade him since he won't sign there long term, so he tells them the teams he'd be willing to sign. At that point it's just a matter of Calgary picking which offer it likes the best, and letting Tkachuk and that team's GM work out a deal. Unless he said he'd only sign with the Blues, this was a possible outcome. If Calgary feels confident they can extend Weegar/Huberdeau, the Blues didn't really have a package that could compete with that anyway. If they did, I don't think he'd be worth it.

I could understand the lure of the Big Apple or LA, but outside of that, I thought it was St Louis all the way. If Matt really wanted to be here, he could of driven that deal to a take it or leave it with STL. He’d of gotten his money here. Just frustrating. Thought he really was going to drive this to STL one way or another and that wasn’t the case. He’ll get bored in Florida if they end up sucking again and it wouldn’t surprise if ends up wanting out of there. Would of been a fan favorite here. Sometimes you wonder if these guys have anything upstairs.

Robert Thomas could’ve forced his way home to
Toronto and been a fan favorite too but chose to sign in St. louis, does that make him stupid too? Very few guys end up playing for their childhood teams. Zach Parise went home and that turned into a disaster

Being young and rich on South Beach sounds fun to me

Dave's a mess wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:44 pm

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:45 pm

BillP. wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 1:07 pm

I could understand the lure of the Big Apple or LA, but outside of that, I thought it was St Louis all the way. If Matt really wanted to be here, he could of driven that deal to a take it or leave it with STL. He’d of gotten his money here. Just frustrating. Thought he really was going to drive this to STL one way or another and that wasn’t the case. He’ll get bored in Florida if they end up sucking again and it wouldn’t surprise if ends up wanting out of there. Would of been a fan favorite here. Sometimes you wonder if these guys have anything upstairs.

Robert Thomas could’ve forced his way home to
Toronto and been a fan favorite too but chose to sign in St. louis, does that make him stupid too? Very few guys end up playing for their childhood teams. Zach Parise went home and that turned into a disaster

Being young and rich on South Beach sounds fun to me

Not to mention you're on a kickass team too. It's a big win for Tkachuk personally and professionally. He can get his fill of toasted ravs in the summer.

Ozzies09tc wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:37 pm Again... Tarasenko and his family would love Florida... Tarasenko+++ gets matt tkachuck here. Im not giving up yet

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:45 pm

BillP. wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 1:07 pm

Dave's a mess wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:40 pm Man I really don't understand all the sour grapes towards Tkachuk. Calgary (wisely) decides they have to trade him since he won't sign there long term, so he tells them the teams he'd be willing to sign. At that point it's just a matter of Calgary picking which offer it likes the best, and letting Tkachuk and that team's GM work out a deal. Unless he said he'd only sign with the Blues, this was a possible outcome. If Calgary feels confident they can extend Weegar/Huberdeau, the Blues didn't really have a package that could compete with that anyway. If they did, I don't think he'd be worth it.

I could understand the lure of the Big Apple or LA, but outside of that, I thought it was St Louis all the way. If Matt really wanted to be here, he could of driven that deal to a take it or leave it with STL. He’d of gotten his money here. Just frustrating. Thought he really was going to drive this to STL one way or another and that wasn’t the case. He’ll get bored in Florida if they end up sucking again and it wouldn’t surprise if ends up wanting out of there. Would of been a fan favorite here. Sometimes you wonder if these guys have anything upstairs.

Robert Thomas could’ve forced his way home to
Toronto and been a fan favorite too but chose to sign in St. louis, does that make him stupid too? Very few guys end up playing for their childhood teams. Zach Parise went home and that turned into a disaster

Being young and rich on South Beach sounds fun to me

Turk Sanderson wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:45 pm

Ozzies09tc wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:37 pm Again... Tarasenko and his family would love Florida... Tarasenko+++ gets matt tkachuck here. Im not giving up yet

Bolduc will make us forget all about MK. That kid’s gonna be something special… and much cheaper.

Ozzies09tc wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:37 pm Again... Tarasenko and his family would love Florida... Tarasenko+++ gets matt tkachuck here. Im not giving up yet

Ozzies09tc wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:37 pm Again... Tarasenko and his family would love Florida... Tarasenko+++ gets matt tkachuck here. Im not giving up yet