30 years ago today

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Wayne Gretzky traded to the Kings. Remember that day like yesterday...can't believe how fast time goes by the older you get.
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I was working at Venture when I heard about that trade. I still can't believe we had him here and then just let him walk away. I doubt we get Turgeon if Wayne had stayed here but man it's Wayne Gretzky and we had him. He should of retired a Blue.

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BillP. wrote:I was working at Venture when I heard about that trade. I still can't believe we had him here and then just let him walk away. I doubt we get Turgeon if Wayne had stayed here but man it's Wayne Gretzky and we had him. He should of retired a Blue.
What's Venture?

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that's funny. i was just talking to my wife about venture the other day. don't remember why it came up. oh yeah, we were in kohl's which was a goddamn nightmare. i said, "where the hell did all these people shop before kohl's existed?" i guessed TJMaxx or venture.

i didn't really start watching hockey on purpose until i moved back to STL in '96. my wife at the time worked at spag factory on the landing. gretz and janet came in. she brought home his autograph for me on a napkin. i no longer have it, but she said he was super nice and his wife was super twatty. anyway, i started watching the blues just in time to see one of the greatest of all time play and promptly be sent on his way. before that, i lived in tampa when the lightning started and watched a couple games. i remember thinking it was ridiculous that tampa had a hockey team, that they wouldn't last. i'm a regular kreskin.

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Doug Glatt wrote:
BillP. wrote:I was working at Venture when I heard about that trade. I still can't believe we had him here and then just let him walk away. I doubt we get Turgeon if Wayne had stayed here but man it's Wayne Gretzky and we had him. He should of retired a Blue.
What's Venture?
A department store like Target. Target and Venture mirrored one another at the time. I think the same guy that created Venture was involved in the development of Target. Venture rocked, I had a lot of fun working there. They were part of the May Company that also owned Famour-Barr but they let Venture go and Venture became an independent company. They did well in St. Louis but the stores in Texas did not and they folded up around 92 or 93.

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T.C. wrote:the venture at olive & 270 was great. the one in north county was... not so great.
I worked at the Kingshighway/Christy store. I liked it when they had Schnucks next door and both stores were connected to each other. You could go thru a turnstile at Venture's snack area and walk right into Schnuck's.

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T.C. wrote:the venture at olive & 270 was great. the one in north county was... not so great.
The store in NoCo (West Florissant @ Dunn Road) was certainly an (ad)Venture. I used it as a cut-through to avoid traffic/accidents at the intersection more often than I did as a shopping destination. Its aura was later assumed by the Walmart Super Center further south on W. Flo. I don't even dare cut through their parking lot. :shock:

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BillP. wrote:I was working at Venture when I heard about that trade. I still can't believe we had him here and then just let him walk away. I doubt we get Turgeon if Wayne had stayed here but man it's Wayne Gretzky and we had him. He should of retired a Blue.
We didn't just let him walk away. Kennan ran him out of town after the Blues didn't make it to the finals. Keenan was a disaster for the Blues.

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39hurricane wrote:
BillP. wrote:I was working at Venture when I heard about that trade. I still can't believe we had him here and then just let him walk away. I doubt we get Turgeon if Wayne had stayed here but man it's Wayne Gretzky and we had him. He should of retired a Blue.
We didn't just let him walk away. Kennan ran him out of town after the Blues didn't make it to the finals. Keenan was a disaster for the Blues.
I know Keenan was the problem, but still, we lost him. Wish they inked the guy the same week they got him before things went sour.

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BillP. wrote:
Doug Glatt wrote:
BillP. wrote:I was working at Venture when I heard about that trade. I still can't believe we had him here and then just let him walk away. I doubt we get Turgeon if Wayne had stayed here but man it's Wayne Gretzky and we had him. He should of retired a Blue.
What's Venture?
A department store like Target. Target and Venture mirrored one another at the time. I think the same guy that created Venture was involved in the development of Target. Venture rocked, I had a lot of fun working there. They were part of the May Company that also owned Famour-Barr but they let Venture go and Venture became an independent company. They did well in St. Louis but the stores in Texas did not and they folded up around 92 or 93.
I was being facetious.

I was a kid, when they went away. I remember the black sign though.

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funny story about Venture...mine was the Venture near Page and 170. I was about 12 or so when me and some friends all got lighters from there so we could imitate the infamous Gene Simmons from Kiss fire out your mouth trick.
I got home..sucked in a buttload of butane, lit the lighter, blew on it and completely eliminated both eyebrows and created a perfect square section across my forehead where my bangs used to be...not to mention burned the hell out of my lips and the tip of my noise and forehead. Ever have a burn blister on the tip of your nose....not fun....not fun at all. Live and learn....
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Even though I was as excited as everyone else over trading for Gretzky, by the time we reached the playoffs, I wasn't at all sure he was going to be the difference maker that would take us all the way. Against Toronto, after Gilmour hit him along the boards, Wayne was more or less ordinary, playing with what appeared to be a back injury. (I believe that was the primary reason Quinn pulled the contract offer off the table)
Sure, Wayne played pretty well for the Rangers, (still nowhere close to his Edmondton days), but the Rangers in their market, could afford to take the risk of signing him. The Blues, in this midwestern market? It would have been at that point, a huge gamble on an aging player who was no longer a superstar. Would his contract have limited our ability to add/resign quality players? Would St. Louis area fans been willing to pay the ticket prices necessary to keep a Gretzky here?

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NHLTIM wrote:funny story about Venture...mine was the Venture near Page and 170. I was about 12 or so when me and some friends all got lighters from there so we could imitate the infamous Gene Simmons from Kiss fire out your mouth trick.
I got home..sucked in a buttload of butane, lit the lighter, blew on it and completely eliminated both eyebrows and created a perfect square section across my forehead where my bangs used to be...not to mention burned the hell out of my lips and the tip of my noise and forehead. Ever have a burn blister on the tip of your nose....not fun....not fun at all. Live and learn....
:lol: :lol: :lol: that's fucking awesome.
KA-KAW!

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BillP. wrote:
39hurricane wrote:
BillP. wrote:I was working at Venture when I heard about that trade. I still can't believe we had him here and then just let him walk away. I doubt we get Turgeon if Wayne had stayed here but man it's Wayne Gretzky and we had him. He should of retired a Blue.
We didn't just let him walk away. Kennan ran him out of town after the Blues didn't make it to the finals. Keenan was a disaster for the Blues.
I know Keenan was the problem, but still, we lost him. Wish they inked the guy the same week they got him before things went sour.
Keenan was not the problem. Keenan didn't all of a sudden change after he came here.

The problem was Jack Quinn. He was the one who missed out on him when Keenan went to Chicago and then finally did hire him and give him full control.

I am no fan of Keenan but people's dislike for him should go towards Quinn.

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NHLTIM wrote:funny story about Venture...mine was the Venture near Page and 170. I was about 12 or so when me and some friends all got lighters from there so we could imitate the infamous Gene Simmons from Kiss fire out your mouth trick.
I got home..sucked in a buttload of butane, lit the lighter, blew on it and completely eliminated both eyebrows and created a perfect square section across my forehead where my bangs used to be...not to mention burned the hell out of my lips and the tip of my noise and forehead. Ever have a burn blister on the tip of your nose....not fun....not fun at all. Live and learn....
Holy Cow - I'm going to guess you didn't try that again. Yikes!!! :o

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Doug Glatt wrote:... I was a kid, when they went away. I remember the black sign though.
I had forgotten about that. Not the most inspirational choice for retail branding. Target's red is eye-catching; black & white angled stripes, not so much.

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barnburner wrote:Even though I was as excited as everyone else over trading for Gretzky, by the time we reached the playoffs, I wasn't at all sure he was going to be the difference maker that would take us all the way. Against Toronto, after Gilmour hit him along the boards, Wayne was more or less ordinary, playing with what appeared to be a back injury. (I believe that was the primary reason Quinn pulled the contract offer off the table)
Sure, Wayne played pretty well for the Rangers, (still nowhere close to his Edmondton days), but the Rangers in their market, could afford to take the risk of signing him. The Blues, in this midwestern market? It would have been at that point, a huge gamble on an aging player who was no longer a superstar. Would his contract have limited our ability to add/resign quality players? Would St. Louis area fans been willing to pay the ticket prices necessary to keep a Gretzky here?
I forgot about all of that with Gretz, I hated Keenan for shipping out Philandering Shanny, and management taking a stance against Hull (ala Keenan's attitude and stripping the C off of him for Shane "I quit on my team" Corson).

I remember Fuhr getting smashed by Bukeboom (Pronger cross check) and thinking we were toast from that point. Then freaking Jon Casey letting in that Yzerman pedestrian slap shot. I was very happy when Jon Casey no longer adorned a Blue Note. We should have lost game five, but Casey got lucky with three terrible misses that clanged right off the post. I remember my Dad and I had to stand for the whole third period because that place was rocking! That game was almost as loud as when the Blue's completed their sweep of the Blackhawks in 1993.

Best thing about Keenan's tenure with us: My Dad and I were at a home game against Edmonton (I still have the ticket) and a fan ran right down past us and dumped a beer right on Keenan. So many cheers as they escorted that man out.

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Actually, It was Kypreos who injured Fuhr in the playoffs. Pronger gave him a weak crosscheck, that Kypreos used as an excuse to DELIBERATELY dive straight into an Fuhr, injuring him for the rest of the playoffs.

I gave Keenan high marks for taking a lot of heat over the Shanny for Pronger trade. He could have easily revealed that Shanny was screwing a teammates wife, and fans would have understood. Instead, even when Shanny was publicly villifying him, Keenan kept quiet about it.

As far as Hull, as it turned out, Keenan was proven correct when he tried to trade him for what reportedly would have been a nice return, only to be overruled by Blues ownership. As it worked out, Blues management finally tired of the situation where Hull basically had his own private kingdom, and choose to let him walk in free agency.

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barnburner wrote:It would have been at that point, a huge gamble on an aging player who was no longer a superstar. Would his contract have limited our ability to add/resign quality players? Would St. Louis area fans been willing to pay the ticket prices necessary to keep a Gretzky here?
and it started a long-standing, still-going tradition of signing aging players who were once great but are well past their prime. recent memory - mckee, miller, jbo...

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T.C. wrote:
barnburner wrote:It would have been at that point, a huge gamble on an aging player who was no longer a superstar. Would his contract have limited our ability to add/resign quality players? Would St. Louis area fans been willing to pay the ticket prices necessary to keep a Gretzky here?
and it started a long-standing, still-going tradition of signing aging players who were once great but are well past their prime. recent memory - mckee, miller, jbo...
Actually TC, the Blues have been doing that since the beginning. In the 60's they built their teams using future HHOFers well past their prime, including coaxing at least one out of retirement. They continued in the 70's, 80's, and 90's with players like Derek Sanderson, Guy Lapointe, Phil Housley, Peter Stastny, Glenn Anderson, Dale Hawerchuck, etc.

The Blues have a long history of trading for previous Cup winners and trading away future Cup winners.