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Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:45 pm**

insideout wrote:
Doug Glatt wrote:
BillP wrote:

Are you guys penciling in Bortuzzo as the No. 5? I would.

I mean you got Gunnarson, Bouwmeester, Schmaltz and Reinke.

I'm kind of dreaming that Bouwmeester gets healthy and then you'd have Bouwmeester and Bortuzzo as the 3rd pair. That might actually be sweet.
How the third pairing pans out is very interesting to me as well.
Walman out of the picture?

I forgot about him. Blues are definitely loaded on defense. I really think Schmaltz deserves to start but the Blues need Bortuzzo's skillset bad.

I can't see the need for Schmaltz here since Parayko survived the trade game. He's not going anywhere now. I really feel Schmaltz can be a 2nd pairing guy IMO. It's a messed up deal with this kid. He's worth more than what the Blues can probably get for him via trade. I don't know how this is going to work out with him.

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:49 pm**

SpacemanSpiff wrote:Defence:

Edmundson / Pietrangelo
Dunn / Parayko
Bouwmeester / Bortuzzo or Schmaltz

Reinke, Mikkola, and Walman start in the minors. At least two of those will see NHL time this year.

Forwards:

Schwartz / Schenn / Perron
Fabbri / ROR / Tarasenko
Steen / Bozak / Thomas
Sanford / Barbashev / Nolan or Jaskin

Thomas gets his feet wet with the third line, and the second power play unit. I think Kyrou starts in the AHL, but makes it up to STL before Christmas.

If Fabbri can't go, then it accelerates Kyrou's bid:

Schwartz / Schenn / Kyrou
Perron / ROR / Tarasenko
Steen / Bozak / Thomas
Sanford / Barbashev / Nolan or Jaskin

If everything is working well, by Christmas, you probably see this:

Schwartz / Schenn / Fabbri
ROR / Thomas / Tarasenko
Steen / Bozak / Kryou
Sanford / Barbashev / Nolan or Jaskin

Don't forget about Gunnarson. Lots of options on D for now.

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:51 pm**

I think Gunnarsson's gone no matter what.

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:52 pm**

BillP wrote: I can't see the need for Schmaltz here since Parayko survived the trade game. He's not going anywhere now. I really feel Schmaltz can be a 2nd pairing guy IMO. It's a messed up deal with this kid. He's worth more than what the Blues can probably get for him via trade. I don't know how this is going to work out with him.

What have you seen from Schmaltz that makes you think this? He's 24 years old and still hasn't been able to crack an NHL lineup. I haven't seen anything from him in the times he's played that makes me have any sort of confidence in him like this.

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:53 pm**

Looking at the defense, the Seattle draft is going to be INTERESTING for the Blues.

How do you just protect 3 of Petro, Eddy, Parayko, and Dunn?

Cross that bridge then, I guess.

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:56 pm**

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote:Looking at the defense, the Seattle draft is going to be INTERESTING for the Blues.

How do you just protect 3 of Petro, Eddy, Parayko, and Dunn?

Cross that bridge then, I guess.

You do the army special, give up a 1st rounder to fix your mistakes

and have them stay away from your top players and pray to the hockey gods you don't give them the 2020 version of Bill Karlsson.

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:00 pm**

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote:Looking at the defense, the Seattle draft is going to be INTERESTING for the Blues.

How do you just protect 3 of Petro, Eddy, Parayko, and Dunn?

Cross that bridge then, I guess.

One of those four won't be here then.

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:07 pm**

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote:Looking at the defense, the Seattle draft is going to be INTERESTING for the Blues.

How do you just protect 3 of Petro, Eddy, Parayko, and Dunn?

Cross that bridge then, I guess.

Easy. Seattle selects David Perron.

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:09 pm**

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote:Looking at the defense, the Seattle draft is going to be INTERESTING for the Blues.

How do you just protect 3 of Petro, Eddy, Parayko, and Dunn?

Cross that bridge then, I guess.

If memory serves me correctly, your UFAs would be ED exempt. Petro’s and Schenn’s current deals expire at the end of 19/20. As long as Army has their assurances that they’ll resign following the ED he can “leave them off” the protected roster until the UFA period begins. I can’t remember which GMs took advantage of that loophole last time but someone did.

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:13 pm**

Doug Glatt wrote:
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote:Looking at the defense, the Seattle draft is going to be INTERESTING for the Blues.

How do you just protect 3 of Petro, Eddy, Parayko, and Dunn?

Cross that bridge then, I guess.
Easy. Seattle selects David Perron.

It all makes sense why he was re-signed now!! If there's one thing DA loves more than signing David Perron, it's getting rid of David Perron.

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:16 pm**

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote:
Doug Glatt wrote:
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote:Looking at the defense, the Seattle draft is going to be INTERESTING for the Blues.

How do you just protect 3 of Petro, Eddy, Parayko, and Dunn?

Cross that bridge then, I guess.
Easy. Seattle selects David Perron.
It all makes sense why he was re-signed now!! If there's one thing DA loves more than signing David Perron, it's getting rid of David Perron.

How many players would be able to say that they were drafted and played for three different NHL teams?

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:22 pm**

UMSLBlues12 wrote:
BillP wrote: I can't see the need for Schmaltz here since Parayko survived the trade game. He's not going anywhere now. I really feel Schmaltz can be a 2nd pairing guy IMO. It's a messed up deal with this kid. He's worth more than what the Blues can probably get for him via trade. I don't know how this is going to work out with him.
What have you seen from Schmaltz that makes you think this? He's 24 years old and still hasn't been able to crack an NHL lineup. I haven't seen anything from him in the times he's played that makes me have any sort of confidence in him like this.

Great skater, can move the puck quickly. High offensive IQ. I've seen a lot from him. He hasn't broken in because of the Blues depth on D. It's not his fault. Same thing in Toronto the past few years with Kapanen who finally got some ice time last year with Leafs. It's a tough situation because I know Army doesn't want to give him away. Bad deal for the kid. Once Bouwmeester and Gunnarson are gone, he'll get his chance, but I don't think DA is in any hurry to move those guys given all the injuries the Blues had on D last year, including Schmaltz himself.

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:23 pm**

Turk Sanderson wrote:
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote:
Doug Glatt wrote:
Easy. Seattle selects David Perron.
It all makes sense why he was re-signed now!! If there's one thing DA loves more than signing David Perron, it's getting rid of David Perron.
How many players would be able to say that they were drafted and played for three different NHL teams?

Which is funny because if memory serves me correct, David Perron was passed over in his original draft year. Now people can't stop drafting him at every opportunity.

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:33 pm**

I dont know if he was skipped a year before but Perron was taken late in the 1st rd. 25th - 26th maybe...somewhere around there. He was supposed to be a big deal when they got him. Then he put on white skates and sealed his fate....lol

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:59 pm**

MissouriMook wrote:
wannabebluesplayer wrote:I never thought about Vegas or if Steen would waive for it but with Stastny already there, I bet he would, especially if Vegas wants him. That would clear space for a potential Maroon deal but I think it should be to get Edmundson signed first. Steen to Vegas for what in return though?
100% futures

Getting back into the 1st round in next year's draft would be nice, not that I would expect Vegas to value Steen that highly. But hey, they do have a stockpile of picks if I remember right.

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:55 pm**

BillP wrote:
UMSLBlues12 wrote:
BillP wrote: I can't see the need for Schmaltz here since Parayko survived the trade game. He's not going anywhere now. I really feel Schmaltz can be a 2nd pairing guy IMO. It's a messed up deal with this kid. He's worth more than what the Blues can probably get for him via trade. I don't know how this is going to work out with him.
What have you seen from Schmaltz that makes you think this? He's 24 years old and still hasn't been able to crack an NHL lineup. I haven't seen anything from him in the times he's played that makes me have any sort of confidence in him like this.
Great skater, can move the puck quickly. High offensive IQ. I've seen a lot from him. He hasn't broken in because of the Blues depth on D. It's not his fault. Same thing in Toronto the past few years with Kapanen who finally got some ice time last year with Leafs. It's a tough situation because I know Army doesn't want to give him away. Bad deal for the kid. Once Bouwmeester and Gunnarson are gone, he'll get his chance, but I don't think DA is in any hurry to move those guys given all the injuries the Blues had on D last year, including Schmaltz himself.

He stalled in his development. Even with the Blues depth on the right side, not once has he been able to come in and seal the deal when he's had the chance. Now all the sudden, he's got some real competition in Reinke who's almost 3 years younger, not to mention Walman who can play the right side if needed and with our left side pretty much a lock for now, Walman might get a look on the right side. Schmaltz better come in and have the camp of his life, otherwise he might just be on life support when it comes to actually playing for this franchise.

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:31 pm**

NHLTIM wrote:
BillP wrote:
UMSLBlues12 wrote:
What have you seen from Schmaltz that makes you think this? He's 24 years old and still hasn't been able to crack an NHL lineup. I haven't seen anything from him in the times he's played that makes me have any sort of confidence in him like this.
Great skater, can move the puck quickly. High offensive IQ. I've seen a lot from him. He hasn't broken in because of the Blues depth on D. It's not his fault. Same thing in Toronto the past few years with Kapanen who finally got some ice time last year with Leafs. It's a tough situation because I know Army doesn't want to give him away. Bad deal for the kid. Once Bouwmeester and Gunnarson are gone, he'll get his chance, but I don't think DA is in any hurry to move those guys given all the injuries the Blues had on D last year, including Schmaltz himself.
He stalled in his development. Even with the Blues depth on the right side, not once has he been able to come in and seal the deal when he's had the chance. Now all the sudden, he's got some real competition in Reinke who's almost 3 years younger, not to mention Walman who can play the right side if needed and with our left side pretty much a lock for now, Walman might get a look on the right side. Schmaltz better come in and have the camp of his life, otherwise he might just be on life support when it comes to actually playing for this franchise.

There was a time last year where he came in and looked great but he was put back on the shelf. I do think the Blues needing Bortuzzo's toughness played a major factor. It's a tough deal IMO because I don't think his future is here and if the Blues try to deal him, I think they'll get the short end of the stick in the trade. He's going to get his chance somewhere and when he does I think he'll be a good one.

But you're right, he's going to have to come in and have the camp of his life.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:54 am**

Turk Sanderson wrote:
wannabebluesplayer wrote:I never thought about Vegas or if Steen would waive for it but with Stastny already there, I bet he would, especially if Vegas wants him. That would clear space for a potential Maroon deal but I think it should be to get Edmundson signed first. Steen to Vegas for what in return though?
He just might waive for Winnipeg too.

I don't see a need for wingers in Winnipeg. They need a center. I could see him waiving for Winnipeg but I don't think Winnipeg would want an aging Steen.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:58 am**

blueslifer wrote:
MissouriMook wrote:
wannabebluesplayer wrote:I never thought about Vegas or if Steen would waive for it but with Stastny already there, I bet he would, especially if Vegas wants him. That would clear space for a potential Maroon deal but I think it should be to get Edmundson signed first. Steen to Vegas for what in return though?
100% futures
Getting back into the 1st round in next year's draft would be nice, not that I would expect Vegas to value Steen that highly. But hey, they do have a stockpile of picks if I remember right.

If Vegas wants a good veteran to play with his best friend, then I could see them maybe making a move for Steen. I think Steen would waive and after losing Perron and Neal, maybe Vegas does make that move. I wonder if Army doesn't want to move Steen though. I worry Steen's still viewed as a leader here. Personally, I'd like to see him gone because I want the leadership fully turned over to 27, 91, 17, 10, 90, etc. Steen is the last bastion of the "old core" and I guarantee still is still a big voice in the room. I know many here don't like Petro as captain, but I think some of it is the leadership around him, and Steen's a part of that.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:06 am**

Vegas gave up a 1,2, and 3 for Tatar last year at the deadline. Can't think they'll be too anxious to move more picks for an underperforming winger.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:17 am**

According to CapFriendly, Vegas has one 1st round pick only for the next three drafts, 2019-2021 (all their own picks, not part of a trade). But they do have a butt load of picks in the second round.

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Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:26 am**

Turk Sanderson wrote:
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote:
Doug Glatt wrote:
Easy. Seattle selects David Perron.
It all makes sense why he was re-signed now!! If there's one thing DA loves more than signing David Perron, it's getting rid of David Perron.
How many players would be able to say that they were drafted and played for three different NHL teams?

Sorry David, but this has to happen.

Perron was passed over in his first draft. He was also passed over for major junior hockey, at first. His hockey history is pretty amazing.

I've always liked the guy. Not his skating in circles and offensive zone penalties, but I have always pulled for him wherever he goes.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:27 am**

wannabebluesplayer wrote:
Turk Sanderson wrote:
wannabebluesplayer wrote:I never thought about Vegas or if Steen would waive for it but with Stastny already there, I bet he would, especially if Vegas wants him. That would clear space for a potential Maroon deal but I think it should be to get Edmundson signed first. Steen to Vegas for what in return though?
He just might waive for Winnipeg too.
I don't see a need for wingers in Winnipeg. They need a center. I could see him waiving for Winnipeg but I don't think Winnipeg would want an aging Steen.

Yeah, I think that boat sailed a couple of seasons ago.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:15 am**

Bizarre stat from Timmerman about our forwards cap hits. We have 7 forwards making 4M or more, 6 who make less than 1M, and none between 1M and 4M. Seems like a pretty weird setup.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:18 am**

BluesSK wrote:
wannabebluesplayer wrote:
Turk Sanderson wrote: He just might waive for Winnipeg too.
I don't see a need for wingers in Winnipeg. They need a center. I could see him waiving for Winnipeg but I don't think Winnipeg would want an aging Steen.
Yeah, I think that boat sailed a couple of seasons ago.

Sell Vegas on a Steen/Stastny reunion. DO IT ARMY.

PS. I don't hate Steen. I just think it would be fun to see Kyrou and Thomas in the lineup and move Perron back to LW. You're also putting a LOT of hope on Fabbri returning to form and two rookies.

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