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No. He can only get the best out of the over paid uninspired players that Army has dumped on him. Not blaming all of last year on Army bc assistant coaches sucked, down years for star players, just a weird weird year.

With new coaches, and a move or two, and maybe even a kid breaking the lineup and breathing a breath of fresh air... who knows.
Now now, the Canadian Government has apologized for Bryan Adams on SEVERAL occasions!

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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 2:56 pm What kind of leash do you think Berube has for next season? There was chatter last year if he was going to take the fall for the bad season. Does he have to make the playoffs to keep his job?
I wouldn't say his job is in jeopardy but it really depends on how the players respond to the coaching staff.

I hope he learned some things from last season because some of his coaching and game management decisions weren't great.

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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 2:56 pm What kind of leash do you think Berube has for next season? There was chatter last year if he was going to take the fall for the bad season. Does he have to make the playoffs to keep his job?
Last year was the first year of a 3 year contract. He would've had to have had an even worse season with some off the ice incident as well to get canned last season. I think he'll be fine unless they're in bottom ten-ish again.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!

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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 2:56 pm What kind of leash do you think Berube has for next season? There was chatter last year if he was going to take the fall for the bad season. Does he have to make the playoffs to keep his job?
I think Army has playoff expectations next year, so I think it depends on how they fair in the race for post-season and how the team ends the season. Did the team finish strong or did it fade and look disinterested. If he loses the team and we don’t make the playoffs then I could see a reboot with a new coach and the transitition to the kids. But now you open up a whole new door, who’s the guy you hire for the new look Blues?

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Dave's a mess wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 8:48 pm
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 2:56 pm What kind of leash do you think Berube has for next season? There was chatter last year if he was going to take the fall for the bad season. Does he have to make the playoffs to keep his job?
Last year was the first year of a 3 year contract. He would've had to have had an even worse season with some off the ice incident as well to get canned last season. I think he'll be fine unless they're in bottom ten-ish again.
There were definitely moments last year that the contract seemed to be the only thing keeping him employed. Especially during the beginning of November when they were on that franchise record setting losing streak.
Just a Russian propaganda account

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BillP wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:50 am
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 2:56 pm What kind of leash do you think Berube has for next season? There was chatter last year if he was going to take the fall for the bad season. Does he have to make the playoffs to keep his job?
I think Army has playoff expectations next year, so I think it depends on how they fair in the race for post-season and how the team ends the season. Did the team finish strong or did it fade and look disinterested. If he loses the team and we don’t make the playoffs then I could see a reboot with a new coach and the transitition to the kids. But now you open up a whole new door, who’s the guy you hire for the new look Blues?
I think they need to come out of the gates strong/competitive. I don't think they need to be in first by any means, but last year they came out VERY inconsistent. Long losing streak, long winning streak, another long losing streak. I think if that's the case again, his seat will definitely be a hot one come Christmas. He needs to have these boys ready to play, I think we are going to see a very spirited and competitive preseason for the Blues.
Just a Russian propaganda account

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BillP wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:50 am
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 2:56 pm What kind of leash do you think Berube has for next season? There was chatter last year if he was going to take the fall for the bad season. Does he have to make the playoffs to keep his job?
I think Army has playoff expectations next year, so I think it depends on how they fair in the race for post-season and how the team ends the season. Did the team finish strong or did it fade and look disinterested. If he loses the team and we don’t make the playoffs then I could see a reboot with a new coach and the transitition to the kids. But now you open up a whole new door, who’s the guy you hire for the new look Blues?
He better have mild playoff expectations because I think we are a long ways off yet. I just want to see this team give 100% every night and be competitive until we are out of it then tank 100% if it comes to that. The coach better be on board with that.

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welp...
THW wrote:Blues Not Currently Built to Compete for 2023-24

If you’d run a poll a month ago, the vast majority of St. Louis Blues fans would have expected general manager Doug Armstrong to have a very busy offseason. After all, he had armed himself with three first-round picks after a busy trade deadline that involved dealing Ryan O’Reilly, Ivan Barbashev, and Vladimir Tarasenko. He spoke openly about being willing to deal his later first-rounders for young, controlled assets. And the team was coming off an extremely disappointing season in which they missed the playoffs and ended with their best draft position in over a decade.

Now, a month later, the Blues have done very little. They drafted three pieces for their future in the first round but traded none of their picks. The only move they did make was to trade a sixth-round pick for to the Philadelphia Flyers for Kevin Hayes, with half of his salary retained by the Flyers. Hayes will shore up the middle-six and should bring some levity to the locker room, but he isn’t exactly an impact player on the ice. And on free agency day, the Blues made some quiet moves at the fringes, bringing back Stanley Cup winner MacKenzie MacEachern and signing three additional depth pieces.
Kevin Hayes Philadelphia FlyersKevin Hayes, pictured in a Philadelphia Flyers “Hockey Fights Cancer” warmup jersey, is, at present, the Blues most significant offseason acquisition (Amy Irvin / The Hockey Writers)

While Armstrong can happy talk about this being largely the same roster that was capable of a 109-point season in 2021-22 (especially on defense), the reality is that this roster looks eerily similar to the team that finished with 81 points last season — except without Tarasenko, O’Reilly, or Barbashev, who all started the 2022-23 season with the Blues. Of course, in a league that allows half its teams into the playoffs, any team can get hot enough for a month-long stretch to reach the postseason. But as they are currently structured, the Blues should not be viewed as a serious competitor next season. Let’s take a better look at their strengths and weaknesses.

The Adequate: A Deep Forward Corps
The Blues do have some stars up front and a lot of depth to supplement them. Two seasons ago, St. Louis put on an offensive showcase and had nine forwards with 20 goals or more. Three of those have left, but Armstrong will hope that Hayes, Kasperi Kapanen, and Jakub Vrána will be able to supplement their scoring sufficiently. They also have stars up front, as Robert Thomas, Jordan Kyrou, and Pavel Buchnevich are talented enough to be one of the most dangerous lines and power play units in the NHL. The trio combined for 205 points and 81 goals last season even despite the team’s struggles, and as Thomas and Kyrou enter the first year of long, expensive contract extensions, the pressure on them to carry the team offensively will kick into overdrive.

Beyond the stars, there is still a lot of depth. Brayden Schenn and Brandon Saad are veterans with playoff experience and scoring touch. Despite his feud with coach John Tortorella last season, Hayes was second on the Flyers in points with 54, managing 18 goals himself. Kapanen and Vrana fit in very well after arriving near the deadline, and they combined for 18 goals and 28 points in 43 games with the Blues. Youngster Jake Neighbours will be looking to make an impact, and depth pieces like MacEachern, Nathan Walker, Alexey Toropchenko, and Sammy Blais should provide a lot of grit on the fourth line and some ability to play up and down the lineup. All told the Blues have a forward corps that, in a vacuum, could compete for a playoff spot and even might be a threat once they make it there. Unfortunately, a hockey team isn’t built by a forward corps alone.

The Bad: Goaltending Woes
Without lingering here too long (there will be other articles for that), the Blues should have major concerns about their goaltending situation. Blues fans would like to overlook Jordan Binnington’s struggles, blaming the team’s goals-against woes solely on the defense (who we will come to discuss momentarily). But that is not a realistic picture of the goaltender Binnington has been over the last two seasons.

The 109-point team from 2021-22 — which Armstrong and fans often point to as an example of this team’s potential — was largely carried by Ville Husso’s fantastic play. He stole the starting job from Binnington and earned a three-year contract with the Detroit Red Wings as a result. But in the last two seasons, Binnington has gone 45-41-10, with a .897 save percentage (SV%), a 3.24 goals-against average (GAA), and minus-26.6 goals saved above average (GSAA). Defenders will point to the blueline, and to strong stretches that Binnington has managed to string together at times (most notably in the 2021-22 postseason). But the fact remains that his performance hasn’t been nearly good enough for a number one goaltender, and certainly not for one making $6 million a season. And with Joel Hofer, an unproven 23-year-old rookie as his backup, he will have to make a complete 180 for the Blues to truly compete.

The Ugly: Defensive Disaster
Plenty of ink has been spilled about the Blues’ defense, and it would be belaboring the point to dig the grave further here. But despite Armstrong’s protestations to the contrary, there is no reason to believe that the group currently assembled can be a serious postseason competitor. At the time of this writing, the Blues are spending the second-highest dollar amount on their defense among NHL teams. But last season, with the same unit on the ice, they allowed the fourth-most expected goals against (xGA, 194.6) and the sixth-most high-danger chances against (HDCA, 673) at 5-on-5. Not one member of the team’s ostensible “top four” (Colton Parayko, Justin Faulk, Torey Krug, and Nick Leddy) played at or near their best, let alone played up to their contracts (the four are owed a combined $23.5 million AAV).

The Blues’ defense is beyond repair. And while Armstrong has to publicly say that he backs them and believes in them, the more fitting reality is probably that he couldn’t find any willing trade partners to offload them and restructure his defense. We know he tried to move Krug to Philadelphia. While Armstrong might say that he believes the defense can play up to its previous 109-point standard (which, again, was largely fueled by Husso’s stellar play), his real hope is more likely that they will play enough better that, with a heightened salary cap, he might begin to be able to move some of them out. But no serious observer can believe that this defensive group is capable of a deep playoff run, even with new defensive coach Mike Weber in place.

Still Time to Make Moves?
Of course, it is only July 9, and there is plenty of time before the season starts to make moves. But there are not plenty of resources with which to make them. The Blues’ roster has taken shape, and they only have about $2.3 million in cap room with one restricted free agent (RFA; Toropchenko) left to sign. All 31 potential trade partners have also settled on something near their final rosters, with many of them lacking cap room to make deals at this point, too. And the Blues’ most tradeable assets, their three first-round picks, have now been used to draft players for the future. Certainly, the Blues could deal future picks to adjust their roster at this point, but with the limitations discussed above, that seems like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

The reality seems to be that the Blues are done making moves for the summer, whether or not the fans acknowledge that. And if that is the case, the front office cannot truly expect the team to compete this season. Of course, that was always the plan. Armstrong hasn’t shied away from speaking about his team’s timeline for being a top contender. In two to three years, prospects like Dalibor Dvorsky and Jimmy Snuggerud will likely be in the NHL, Hofer might have matured into a true starter, and hopefully, Armstrong will have at least partially restructured the defense. But the road there isn’t going to be quick or easy, and Blues fans need to embrace that reality, or else they’re going to have a very painful season ahead.
which one of you wrote this?

Re: Blues 2023-2024 season thread

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T.C. wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:31 am welp...
THW wrote:Blues Not Currently Built to Compete for 2023-24

If you’d run a poll a month ago, the vast majority of St. Louis Blues fans would have expected general manager Doug Armstrong to have a very busy offseason. After all, he had armed himself with three first-round picks after a busy trade deadline that involved dealing Ryan O’Reilly, Ivan Barbashev, and Vladimir Tarasenko. He spoke openly about being willing to deal his later first-rounders for young, controlled assets. And the team was coming off an extremely disappointing season in which they missed the playoffs and ended with their best draft position in over a decade.

Now, a month later, the Blues have done very little. They drafted three pieces for their future in the first round but traded none of their picks. The only move they did make was to trade a sixth-round pick for to the Philadelphia Flyers for Kevin Hayes, with half of his salary retained by the Flyers. Hayes will shore up the middle-six and should bring some levity to the locker room, but he isn’t exactly an impact player on the ice. And on free agency day, the Blues made some quiet moves at the fringes, bringing back Stanley Cup winner MacKenzie MacEachern and signing three additional depth pieces.
Kevin Hayes Philadelphia FlyersKevin Hayes, pictured in a Philadelphia Flyers “Hockey Fights Cancer” warmup jersey, is, at present, the Blues most significant offseason acquisition (Amy Irvin / The Hockey Writers)

While Armstrong can happy talk about this being largely the same roster that was capable of a 109-point season in 2021-22 (especially on defense), the reality is that this roster looks eerily similar to the team that finished with 81 points last season — except without Tarasenko, O’Reilly, or Barbashev, who all started the 2022-23 season with the Blues. Of course, in a league that allows half its teams into the playoffs, any team can get hot enough for a month-long stretch to reach the postseason. But as they are currently structured, the Blues should not be viewed as a serious competitor next season. Let’s take a better look at their strengths and weaknesses.

The Adequate: A Deep Forward Corps
The Blues do have some stars up front and a lot of depth to supplement them. Two seasons ago, St. Louis put on an offensive showcase and had nine forwards with 20 goals or more. Three of those have left, but Armstrong will hope that Hayes, Kasperi Kapanen, and Jakub Vrána will be able to supplement their scoring sufficiently. They also have stars up front, as Robert Thomas, Jordan Kyrou, and Pavel Buchnevich are talented enough to be one of the most dangerous lines and power play units in the NHL. The trio combined for 205 points and 81 goals last season even despite the team’s struggles, and as Thomas and Kyrou enter the first year of long, expensive contract extensions, the pressure on them to carry the team offensively will kick into overdrive.

Beyond the stars, there is still a lot of depth. Brayden Schenn and Brandon Saad are veterans with playoff experience and scoring touch. Despite his feud with coach John Tortorella last season, Hayes was second on the Flyers in points with 54, managing 18 goals himself. Kapanen and Vrana fit in very well after arriving near the deadline, and they combined for 18 goals and 28 points in 43 games with the Blues. Youngster Jake Neighbours will be looking to make an impact, and depth pieces like MacEachern, Nathan Walker, Alexey Toropchenko, and Sammy Blais should provide a lot of grit on the fourth line and some ability to play up and down the lineup. All told the Blues have a forward corps that, in a vacuum, could compete for a playoff spot and even might be a threat once they make it there. Unfortunately, a hockey team isn’t built by a forward corps alone.

The Bad: Goaltending Woes
Without lingering here too long (there will be other articles for that), the Blues should have major concerns about their goaltending situation. Blues fans would like to overlook Jordan Binnington’s struggles, blaming the team’s goals-against woes solely on the defense (who we will come to discuss momentarily). But that is not a realistic picture of the goaltender Binnington has been over the last two seasons.

The 109-point team from 2021-22 — which Armstrong and fans often point to as an example of this team’s potential — was largely carried by Ville Husso’s fantastic play. He stole the starting job from Binnington and earned a three-year contract with the Detroit Red Wings as a result. But in the last two seasons, Binnington has gone 45-41-10, with a .897 save percentage (SV%), a 3.24 goals-against average (GAA), and minus-26.6 goals saved above average (GSAA). Defenders will point to the blueline, and to strong stretches that Binnington has managed to string together at times (most notably in the 2021-22 postseason). But the fact remains that his performance hasn’t been nearly good enough for a number one goaltender, and certainly not for one making $6 million a season. And with Joel Hofer, an unproven 23-year-old rookie as his backup, he will have to make a complete 180 for the Blues to truly compete.

The Ugly: Defensive Disaster
Plenty of ink has been spilled about the Blues’ defense, and it would be belaboring the point to dig the grave further here. But despite Armstrong’s protestations to the contrary, there is no reason to believe that the group currently assembled can be a serious postseason competitor. At the time of this writing, the Blues are spending the second-highest dollar amount on their defense among NHL teams. But last season, with the same unit on the ice, they allowed the fourth-most expected goals against (xGA, 194.6) and the sixth-most high-danger chances against (HDCA, 673) at 5-on-5. Not one member of the team’s ostensible “top four” (Colton Parayko, Justin Faulk, Torey Krug, and Nick Leddy) played at or near their best, let alone played up to their contracts (the four are owed a combined $23.5 million AAV).

The Blues’ defense is beyond repair. And while Armstrong has to publicly say that he backs them and believes in them, the more fitting reality is probably that he couldn’t find any willing trade partners to offload them and restructure his defense. We know he tried to move Krug to Philadelphia. While Armstrong might say that he believes the defense can play up to its previous 109-point standard (which, again, was largely fueled by Husso’s stellar play), his real hope is more likely that they will play enough better that, with a heightened salary cap, he might begin to be able to move some of them out. But no serious observer can believe that this defensive group is capable of a deep playoff run, even with new defensive coach Mike Weber in place.

Still Time to Make Moves?
Of course, it is only July 9, and there is plenty of time before the season starts to make moves. But there are not plenty of resources with which to make them. The Blues’ roster has taken shape, and they only have about $2.3 million in cap room with one restricted free agent (RFA; Toropchenko) left to sign. All 31 potential trade partners have also settled on something near their final rosters, with many of them lacking cap room to make deals at this point, too. And the Blues’ most tradeable assets, their three first-round picks, have now been used to draft players for the future. Certainly, the Blues could deal future picks to adjust their roster at this point, but with the limitations discussed above, that seems like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

The reality seems to be that the Blues are done making moves for the summer, whether or not the fans acknowledge that. And if that is the case, the front office cannot truly expect the team to compete this season. Of course, that was always the plan. Armstrong hasn’t shied away from speaking about his team’s timeline for being a top contender. In two to three years, prospects like Dalibor Dvorsky and Jimmy Snuggerud will likely be in the NHL, Hofer might have matured into a true starter, and hopefully, Armstrong will have at least partially restructured the defense. But the road there isn’t going to be quick or easy, and Blues fans need to embrace that reality, or else they’re going to have a very painful season ahead.
which one of you wrote this?
Could have been me but I'm lazy.

It's going to be a challenging next couple of seasons. It will certainly be interesting though.

Re: Blues 2023-2024 season thread

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T.C. wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:31 am welp...
THW wrote:Blues Not Currently Built to Compete for 2023-24

If you’d run a poll a month ago, the vast majority of St. Louis Blues fans would have expected general manager Doug Armstrong to have a very busy offseason. After all, he had armed himself with three first-round picks after a busy trade deadline that involved dealing Ryan O’Reilly, Ivan Barbashev, and Vladimir Tarasenko. He spoke openly about being willing to deal his later first-rounders for young, controlled assets. And the team was coming off an extremely disappointing season in which they missed the playoffs and ended with their best draft position in over a decade.

Now, a month later, the Blues have done very little. They drafted three pieces for their future in the first round but traded none of their picks. The only move they did make was to trade a sixth-round pick for to the Philadelphia Flyers for Kevin Hayes, with half of his salary retained by the Flyers. Hayes will shore up the middle-six and should bring some levity to the locker room, but he isn’t exactly an impact player on the ice. And on free agency day, the Blues made some quiet moves at the fringes, bringing back Stanley Cup winner MacKenzie MacEachern and signing three additional depth pieces.
Kevin Hayes Philadelphia FlyersKevin Hayes, pictured in a Philadelphia Flyers “Hockey Fights Cancer” warmup jersey, is, at present, the Blues most significant offseason acquisition (Amy Irvin / The Hockey Writers)

While Armstrong can happy talk about this being largely the same roster that was capable of a 109-point season in 2021-22 (especially on defense), the reality is that this roster looks eerily similar to the team that finished with 81 points last season — except without Tarasenko, O’Reilly, or Barbashev, who all started the 2022-23 season with the Blues. Of course, in a league that allows half its teams into the playoffs, any team can get hot enough for a month-long stretch to reach the postseason. But as they are currently structured, the Blues should not be viewed as a serious competitor next season. Let’s take a better look at their strengths and weaknesses.

The Adequate: A Deep Forward Corps
The Blues do have some stars up front and a lot of depth to supplement them. Two seasons ago, St. Louis put on an offensive showcase and had nine forwards with 20 goals or more. Three of those have left, but Armstrong will hope that Hayes, Kasperi Kapanen, and Jakub Vrána will be able to supplement their scoring sufficiently. They also have stars up front, as Robert Thomas, Jordan Kyrou, and Pavel Buchnevich are talented enough to be one of the most dangerous lines and power play units in the NHL. The trio combined for 205 points and 81 goals last season even despite the team’s struggles, and as Thomas and Kyrou enter the first year of long, expensive contract extensions, the pressure on them to carry the team offensively will kick into overdrive.

Beyond the stars, there is still a lot of depth. Brayden Schenn and Brandon Saad are veterans with playoff experience and scoring touch. Despite his feud with coach John Tortorella last season, Hayes was second on the Flyers in points with 54, managing 18 goals himself. Kapanen and Vrana fit in very well after arriving near the deadline, and they combined for 18 goals and 28 points in 43 games with the Blues. Youngster Jake Neighbours will be looking to make an impact, and depth pieces like MacEachern, Nathan Walker, Alexey Toropchenko, and Sammy Blais should provide a lot of grit on the fourth line and some ability to play up and down the lineup. All told the Blues have a forward corps that, in a vacuum, could compete for a playoff spot and even might be a threat once they make it there. Unfortunately, a hockey team isn’t built by a forward corps alone.

The Bad: Goaltending Woes
Without lingering here too long (there will be other articles for that), the Blues should have major concerns about their goaltending situation. Blues fans would like to overlook Jordan Binnington’s struggles, blaming the team’s goals-against woes solely on the defense (who we will come to discuss momentarily). But that is not a realistic picture of the goaltender Binnington has been over the last two seasons.

The 109-point team from 2021-22 — which Armstrong and fans often point to as an example of this team’s potential — was largely carried by Ville Husso’s fantastic play. He stole the starting job from Binnington and earned a three-year contract with the Detroit Red Wings as a result. But in the last two seasons, Binnington has gone 45-41-10, with a .897 save percentage (SV%), a 3.24 goals-against average (GAA), and minus-26.6 goals saved above average (GSAA). Defenders will point to the blueline, and to strong stretches that Binnington has managed to string together at times (most notably in the 2021-22 postseason). But the fact remains that his performance hasn’t been nearly good enough for a number one goaltender, and certainly not for one making $6 million a season. And with Joel Hofer, an unproven 23-year-old rookie as his backup, he will have to make a complete 180 for the Blues to truly compete.

The Ugly: Defensive Disaster
Plenty of ink has been spilled about the Blues’ defense, and it would be belaboring the point to dig the grave further here. But despite Armstrong’s protestations to the contrary, there is no reason to believe that the group currently assembled can be a serious postseason competitor. At the time of this writing, the Blues are spending the second-highest dollar amount on their defense among NHL teams. But last season, with the same unit on the ice, they allowed the fourth-most expected goals against (xGA, 194.6) and the sixth-most high-danger chances against (HDCA, 673) at 5-on-5. Not one member of the team’s ostensible “top four” (Colton Parayko, Justin Faulk, Torey Krug, and Nick Leddy) played at or near their best, let alone played up to their contracts (the four are owed a combined $23.5 million AAV).

The Blues’ defense is beyond repair. And while Armstrong has to publicly say that he backs them and believes in them, the more fitting reality is probably that he couldn’t find any willing trade partners to offload them and restructure his defense. We know he tried to move Krug to Philadelphia. While Armstrong might say that he believes the defense can play up to its previous 109-point standard (which, again, was largely fueled by Husso’s stellar play), his real hope is more likely that they will play enough better that, with a heightened salary cap, he might begin to be able to move some of them out. But no serious observer can believe that this defensive group is capable of a deep playoff run, even with new defensive coach Mike Weber in place.

Still Time to Make Moves?
Of course, it is only July 9, and there is plenty of time before the season starts to make moves. But there are not plenty of resources with which to make them. The Blues’ roster has taken shape, and they only have about $2.3 million in cap room with one restricted free agent (RFA; Toropchenko) left to sign. All 31 potential trade partners have also settled on something near their final rosters, with many of them lacking cap room to make deals at this point, too. And the Blues’ most tradeable assets, their three first-round picks, have now been used to draft players for the future. Certainly, the Blues could deal future picks to adjust their roster at this point, but with the limitations discussed above, that seems like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

The reality seems to be that the Blues are done making moves for the summer, whether or not the fans acknowledge that. And if that is the case, the front office cannot truly expect the team to compete this season. Of course, that was always the plan. Armstrong hasn’t shied away from speaking about his team’s timeline for being a top contender. In two to three years, prospects like Dalibor Dvorsky and Jimmy Snuggerud will likely be in the NHL, Hofer might have matured into a true starter, and hopefully, Armstrong will have at least partially restructured the defense. But the road there isn’t going to be quick or easy, and Blues fans need to embrace that reality, or else they’re going to have a very painful season ahead.
which one of you wrote this?
Is the answer Jesus?

Re: Blues 2023-2024 season thread

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T.C. wrote: welp...
THW wrote:Blues Not Currently Built to Compete for 2023-24

If you’d run a poll a month ago, the vast majority of St. Louis Blues fans would have expected general manager Doug Armstrong to have a very busy offseason. After all, he had armed himself with three first-round picks after a busy trade deadline that involved dealing Ryan O’Reilly, Ivan Barbashev, and Vladimir Tarasenko. He spoke openly about being willing to deal his later first-rounders for young, controlled assets. And the team was coming off an extremely disappointing season in which they missed the playoffs and ended with their best draft position in over a decade.

Now, a month later, the Blues have done very little. They drafted three pieces for their future in the first round but traded none of their picks. The only move they did make was to trade a sixth-round pick for to the Philadelphia Flyers for Kevin Hayes, with half of his salary retained by the Flyers. Hayes will shore up the middle-six and should bring some levity to the locker room, but he isn’t exactly an impact player on the ice. And on free agency day, the Blues made some quiet moves at the fringes, bringing back Stanley Cup winner MacKenzie MacEachern and signing three additional depth pieces.
Kevin Hayes Philadelphia FlyersKevin Hayes, pictured in a Philadelphia Flyers “Hockey Fights Cancer” warmup jersey, is, at present, the Blues most significant offseason acquisition (Amy Irvin / The Hockey Writers)

While Armstrong can happy talk about this being largely the same roster that was capable of a 109-point season in 2021-22 (especially on defense), the reality is that this roster looks eerily similar to the team that finished with 81 points last season — except without Tarasenko, O’Reilly, or Barbashev, who all started the 2022-23 season with the Blues. Of course, in a league that allows half its teams into the playoffs, any team can get hot enough for a month-long stretch to reach the postseason. But as they are currently structured, the Blues should not be viewed as a serious competitor next season. Let’s take a better look at their strengths and weaknesses.

The Adequate: A Deep Forward Corps
The Blues do have some stars up front and a lot of depth to supplement them. Two seasons ago, St. Louis put on an offensive showcase and had nine forwards with 20 goals or more. Three of those have left, but Armstrong will hope that Hayes, Kasperi Kapanen, and Jakub Vrána will be able to supplement their scoring sufficiently. They also have stars up front, as Robert Thomas, Jordan Kyrou, and Pavel Buchnevich are talented enough to be one of the most dangerous lines and power play units in the NHL. The trio combined for 205 points and 81 goals last season even despite the team’s struggles, and as Thomas and Kyrou enter the first year of long, expensive contract extensions, the pressure on them to carry the team offensively will kick into overdrive.

Beyond the stars, there is still a lot of depth. Brayden Schenn and Brandon Saad are veterans with playoff experience and scoring touch. Despite his feud with coach John Tortorella last season, Hayes was second on the Flyers in points with 54, managing 18 goals himself. Kapanen and Vrana fit in very well after arriving near the deadline, and they combined for 18 goals and 28 points in 43 games with the Blues. Youngster Jake Neighbours will be looking to make an impact, and depth pieces like MacEachern, Nathan Walker, Alexey Toropchenko, and Sammy Blais should provide a lot of grit on the fourth line and some ability to play up and down the lineup. All told the Blues have a forward corps that, in a vacuum, could compete for a playoff spot and even might be a threat once they make it there. Unfortunately, a hockey team isn’t built by a forward corps alone.

The Bad: Goaltending Woes
Without lingering here too long (there will be other articles for that), the Blues should have major concerns about their goaltending situation. Blues fans would like to overlook Jordan Binnington’s struggles, blaming the team’s goals-against woes solely on the defense (who we will come to discuss momentarily). But that is not a realistic picture of the goaltender Binnington has been over the last two seasons.

The 109-point team from 2021-22 — which Armstrong and fans often point to as an example of this team’s potential — was largely carried by Ville Husso’s fantastic play. He stole the starting job from Binnington and earned a three-year contract with the Detroit Red Wings as a result. But in the last two seasons, Binnington has gone 45-41-10, with a .897 save percentage (SV%), a 3.24 goals-against average (GAA), and minus-26.6 goals saved above average (GSAA). Defenders will point to the blueline, and to strong stretches that Binnington has managed to string together at times (most notably in the 2021-22 postseason). But the fact remains that his performance hasn’t been nearly good enough for a number one goaltender, and certainly not for one making $6 million a season. And with Joel Hofer, an unproven 23-year-old rookie as his backup, he will have to make a complete 180 for the Blues to truly compete.

The Ugly: Defensive Disaster
Plenty of ink has been spilled about the Blues’ defense, and it would be belaboring the point to dig the grave further here. But despite Armstrong’s protestations to the contrary, there is no reason to believe that the group currently assembled can be a serious postseason competitor. At the time of this writing, the Blues are spending the second-highest dollar amount on their defense among NHL teams. But last season, with the same unit on the ice, they allowed the fourth-most expected goals against (xGA, 194.6) and the sixth-most high-danger chances against (HDCA, 673) at 5-on-5. Not one member of the team’s ostensible “top four” (Colton Parayko, Justin Faulk, Torey Krug, and Nick Leddy) played at or near their best, let alone played up to their contracts (the four are owed a combined $23.5 million AAV).

The Blues’ defense is beyond repair. And while Armstrong has to publicly say that he backs them and believes in them, the more fitting reality is probably that he couldn’t find any willing trade partners to offload them and restructure his defense. We know he tried to move Krug to Philadelphia. While Armstrong might say that he believes the defense can play up to its previous 109-point standard (which, again, was largely fueled by Husso’s stellar play), his real hope is more likely that they will play enough better that, with a heightened salary cap, he might begin to be able to move some of them out. But no serious observer can believe that this defensive group is capable of a deep playoff run, even with new defensive coach Mike Weber in place.

Still Time to Make Moves?
Of course, it is only July 9, and there is plenty of time before the season starts to make moves. But there are not plenty of resources with which to make them. The Blues’ roster has taken shape, and they only have about $2.3 million in cap room with one restricted free agent (RFA; Toropchenko) left to sign. All 31 potential trade partners have also settled on something near their final rosters, with many of them lacking cap room to make deals at this point, too. And the Blues’ most tradeable assets, their three first-round picks, have now been used to draft players for the future. Certainly, the Blues could deal future picks to adjust their roster at this point, but with the limitations discussed above, that seems like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

The reality seems to be that the Blues are done making moves for the summer, whether or not the fans acknowledge that. And if that is the case, the front office cannot truly expect the team to compete this season. Of course, that was always the plan. Armstrong hasn’t shied away from speaking about his team’s timeline for being a top contender. In two to three years, prospects like Dalibor Dvorsky and Jimmy Snuggerud will likely be in the NHL, Hofer might have matured into a true starter, and hopefully, Armstrong will have at least partially restructured the defense. But the road there isn’t going to be quick or easy, and Blues fans need to embrace that reality, or else they’re going to have a very painful season ahead.
which one of you wrote this?
Wasn't me but if this upcoming year is a bust, the worst thing that can happen is we stock up on more kids. I have no problem with that at all.

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Turk Sanderson wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:41 am
T.C. wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:31 am welp...
THW wrote:Blues Not Currently Built to Compete for 2023-24

If you’d run a poll a month ago, the vast majority of St. Louis Blues fans would have expected general manager Doug Armstrong to have a very busy offseason. After all, he had armed himself with three first-round picks after a busy trade deadline that involved dealing Ryan O’Reilly, Ivan Barbashev, and Vladimir Tarasenko. He spoke openly about being willing to deal his later first-rounders for young, controlled assets. And the team was coming off an extremely disappointing season in which they missed the playoffs and ended with their best draft position in over a decade.

Now, a month later, the Blues have done very little. They drafted three pieces for their future in the first round but traded none of their picks. The only move they did make was to trade a sixth-round pick for to the Philadelphia Flyers for Kevin Hayes, with half of his salary retained by the Flyers. Hayes will shore up the middle-six and should bring some levity to the locker room, but he isn’t exactly an impact player on the ice. And on free agency day, the Blues made some quiet moves at the fringes, bringing back Stanley Cup winner MacKenzie MacEachern and signing three additional depth pieces.
Kevin Hayes Philadelphia FlyersKevin Hayes, pictured in a Philadelphia Flyers “Hockey Fights Cancer” warmup jersey, is, at present, the Blues most significant offseason acquisition (Amy Irvin / The Hockey Writers)

While Armstrong can happy talk about this being largely the same roster that was capable of a 109-point season in 2021-22 (especially on defense), the reality is that this roster looks eerily similar to the team that finished with 81 points last season — except without Tarasenko, O’Reilly, or Barbashev, who all started the 2022-23 season with the Blues. Of course, in a league that allows half its teams into the playoffs, any team can get hot enough for a month-long stretch to reach the postseason. But as they are currently structured, the Blues should not be viewed as a serious competitor next season. Let’s take a better look at their strengths and weaknesses.

The Adequate: A Deep Forward Corps
The Blues do have some stars up front and a lot of depth to supplement them. Two seasons ago, St. Louis put on an offensive showcase and had nine forwards with 20 goals or more. Three of those have left, but Armstrong will hope that Hayes, Kasperi Kapanen, and Jakub Vrána will be able to supplement their scoring sufficiently. They also have stars up front, as Robert Thomas, Jordan Kyrou, and Pavel Buchnevich are talented enough to be one of the most dangerous lines and power play units in the NHL. The trio combined for 205 points and 81 goals last season even despite the team’s struggles, and as Thomas and Kyrou enter the first year of long, expensive contract extensions, the pressure on them to carry the team offensively will kick into overdrive.

Beyond the stars, there is still a lot of depth. Brayden Schenn and Brandon Saad are veterans with playoff experience and scoring touch. Despite his feud with coach John Tortorella last season, Hayes was second on the Flyers in points with 54, managing 18 goals himself. Kapanen and Vrana fit in very well after arriving near the deadline, and they combined for 18 goals and 28 points in 43 games with the Blues. Youngster Jake Neighbours will be looking to make an impact, and depth pieces like MacEachern, Nathan Walker, Alexey Toropchenko, and Sammy Blais should provide a lot of grit on the fourth line and some ability to play up and down the lineup. All told the Blues have a forward corps that, in a vacuum, could compete for a playoff spot and even might be a threat once they make it there. Unfortunately, a hockey team isn’t built by a forward corps alone.

The Bad: Goaltending Woes
Without lingering here too long (there will be other articles for that), the Blues should have major concerns about their goaltending situation. Blues fans would like to overlook Jordan Binnington’s struggles, blaming the team’s goals-against woes solely on the defense (who we will come to discuss momentarily). But that is not a realistic picture of the goaltender Binnington has been over the last two seasons.

The 109-point team from 2021-22 — which Armstrong and fans often point to as an example of this team’s potential — was largely carried by Ville Husso’s fantastic play. He stole the starting job from Binnington and earned a three-year contract with the Detroit Red Wings as a result. But in the last two seasons, Binnington has gone 45-41-10, with a .897 save percentage (SV%), a 3.24 goals-against average (GAA), and minus-26.6 goals saved above average (GSAA). Defenders will point to the blueline, and to strong stretches that Binnington has managed to string together at times (most notably in the 2021-22 postseason). But the fact remains that his performance hasn’t been nearly good enough for a number one goaltender, and certainly not for one making $6 million a season. And with Joel Hofer, an unproven 23-year-old rookie as his backup, he will have to make a complete 180 for the Blues to truly compete.

The Ugly: Defensive Disaster
Plenty of ink has been spilled about the Blues’ defense, and it would be belaboring the point to dig the grave further here. But despite Armstrong’s protestations to the contrary, there is no reason to believe that the group currently assembled can be a serious postseason competitor. At the time of this writing, the Blues are spending the second-highest dollar amount on their defense among NHL teams. But last season, with the same unit on the ice, they allowed the fourth-most expected goals against (xGA, 194.6) and the sixth-most high-danger chances against (HDCA, 673) at 5-on-5. Not one member of the team’s ostensible “top four” (Colton Parayko, Justin Faulk, Torey Krug, and Nick Leddy) played at or near their best, let alone played up to their contracts (the four are owed a combined $23.5 million AAV).

The Blues’ defense is beyond repair. And while Armstrong has to publicly say that he backs them and believes in them, the more fitting reality is probably that he couldn’t find any willing trade partners to offload them and restructure his defense. We know he tried to move Krug to Philadelphia. While Armstrong might say that he believes the defense can play up to its previous 109-point standard (which, again, was largely fueled by Husso’s stellar play), his real hope is more likely that they will play enough better that, with a heightened salary cap, he might begin to be able to move some of them out. But no serious observer can believe that this defensive group is capable of a deep playoff run, even with new defensive coach Mike Weber in place.

Still Time to Make Moves?
Of course, it is only July 9, and there is plenty of time before the season starts to make moves. But there are not plenty of resources with which to make them. The Blues’ roster has taken shape, and they only have about $2.3 million in cap room with one restricted free agent (RFA; Toropchenko) left to sign. All 31 potential trade partners have also settled on something near their final rosters, with many of them lacking cap room to make deals at this point, too. And the Blues’ most tradeable assets, their three first-round picks, have now been used to draft players for the future. Certainly, the Blues could deal future picks to adjust their roster at this point, but with the limitations discussed above, that seems like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

The reality seems to be that the Blues are done making moves for the summer, whether or not the fans acknowledge that. And if that is the case, the front office cannot truly expect the team to compete this season. Of course, that was always the plan. Armstrong hasn’t shied away from speaking about his team’s timeline for being a top contender. In two to three years, prospects like Dalibor Dvorsky and Jimmy Snuggerud will likely be in the NHL, Hofer might have matured into a true starter, and hopefully, Armstrong will have at least partially restructured the defense. But the road there isn’t going to be quick or easy, and Blues fans need to embrace that reality, or else they’re going to have a very painful season ahead.
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Is the answer Jesus?
Is that Connor, Mc?
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I agree with a lot said there. I don’t expect us to ice an overly competitive team. I think it has the potential to sneak into the playoffs if a lot of things go right. If the season goes off the rails again you have a potentially big trade chip in Vrana and another in Kapanen. Arm yourself with multiple first again and head into an off-season with a lot more cap space to change the roster.
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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:34 am I agree with a lot said there. I don’t expect us to ice an overly competitive team. I think it has the potential to sneak into the playoffs if a lot of things go right. If the season goes off the rails again you have a potentially big trade chip in Vrana and another in Kapanen. Arm yourself with multiple first again and head into an off-season with a lot more cap space to change the roster.
If those guys play well enough to bring back a first as pure rentals I wonder if they'll be far enough back to sell for the second year in a row.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!

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BillP. wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:56 am Has anyone seen updated the NHL Team Rankings on prospect pools?
I see Scott Wheeler had the Blues ranked 19th back in January/2023 earlier this year.
Gotta think we crack the top 10 now.
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/rankin ... 16413.html
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/rankin ... 25136.html
14. St. Louis Blues
Top three prospects: Jimmy Snuggerud, Joel Hofer, Zachary Bolduc

Top pick in 2023: Dalibor Dvorsky

There’s a lot of scoring potential in St. Louis’ ranks. From Jimmy Snuggerud who had a magnificent rookie year in the NCAA, looking close to NHL ready, to 110-point scorer in the QMJHL Zachary Bolduc and first-rounder Zach Dean, who are both turning pro this year, to recently drafted players Dvorsky and Otto Stenberg. When you add Jake Neighbours — who will take a full-time role in St. Louis this year — and the future forward group looks set.

Joel Hofer deserves more opportunities in net, as the Blues need to see if he truly is their goalie of the future. If there’s a deficit in their pool, it’s on the blueline where there’s promise but not a lot of blue-chip potential — unless 2023 pick Theo Lindstein turns into the smooth puck-mover some believe he is.
32 - Edm
31 - Pitts
30 - TBL
29 - VGK
28 - NYI
27 - Bos
26 - Fla
25 - Col
24 - NYR
23 - Van
22 - Cal
21 - Ott
20 - Tor
19 - WSH
18 - Dal
17 - LAK
16 - WPJ
15 - CAR
14 - STL
13 - NSH
12 - PHI
11 - whatever city the coyotes are going to
10 - SJ
9 - SEA
8 - Min
7 - ANA
6 - CHI
5 - NJ
4 - Mon
3 - Det
2 - CBJ
1 - Buf
Now now, the Canadian Government has apologized for Bryan Adams on SEVERAL occasions!

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Ozzies09tc wrote:
BillP. wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:56 am Has anyone seen updated the NHL Team Rankings on prospect pools?
I see Scott Wheeler had the Blues ranked 19th back in January/2023 earlier this year.
Gotta think we crack the top 10 now.
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/rankin ... 16413.html
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/rankin ... 25136.html
14. St. Louis Blues
Top three prospects: Jimmy Snuggerud, Joel Hofer, Zachary Bolduc

Top pick in 2023: Dalibor Dvorsky

There’s a lot of scoring potential in St. Louis’ ranks. From Jimmy Snuggerud who had a magnificent rookie year in the NCAA, looking close to NHL ready, to 110-point scorer in the QMJHL Zachary Bolduc and first-rounder Zach Dean, who are both turning pro this year, to recently drafted players Dvorsky and Otto Stenberg. When you add Jake Neighbours — who will take a full-time role in St. Louis this year — and the future forward group looks set.

Joel Hofer deserves more opportunities in net, as the Blues need to see if he truly is their goalie of the future. If there’s a deficit in their pool, it’s on the blueline where there’s promise but not a lot of blue-chip potential — unless 2023 pick Theo Lindstein turns into the smooth puck-mover some believe he is.
32 - Edm
31 - Pitts
30 - TBL
29 - VGK
28 - NYI
27 - Bos
26 - Fla
25 - Col
24 - NYR
23 - Van
22 - Cal
21 - Ott
20 - Tor
19 - WSH
18 - Dal
17 - LAK
16 - WPJ
15 - CAR
14 - STL
13 - NSH
12 - PHI
11 - whatever city the coyotes are going to
10 - SJ
9 - SEA
8 - Min
7 - ANA
6 - CHI
5 - NJ
4 - Mon
3 - Det
2 - CBJ
1 - Buf
Thanks!
They mention Jake Neighbors and I'm a little worried about him. He better get it going or else I hope Army can flip him for something good before his value deflates.

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Dave's a mess wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:03 am
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:34 am I agree with a lot said there. I don’t expect us to ice an overly competitive team. I think it has the potential to sneak into the playoffs if a lot of things go right. If the season goes off the rails again you have a potentially big trade chip in Vrana and another in Kapanen. Arm yourself with multiple first again and head into an off-season with a lot more cap space to change the roster.
If those guys play well enough to bring back a first as pure rentals I wonder if they'll be far enough back to sell for the second year in a row.
I don’t expect Kap to have first round value but Vrana played at a 40 goal pace with the Blues. If he does 30 next year that’s easily a 1st for a rental. Especially since he doesn’t have a NTC and carries a low salary so multiple teams will be in play.
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Has anyone done any playing around with potential lineups for the upcoming season.

The forwards and goal are pretty much set but defense is going to be interesting. Almost all of our defense except for Perunovich (who I feel should have a good chance to make the roster) will have to clear waivers. So there might be some interesting choices. Waiving and sending down Scandella, perhaps?

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BluesSK wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:45 pm Has anyone done any playing around with potential lineups for the upcoming season.

The forwards and goal are pretty much set but defense is going to be interesting. Almost all of our defense except for Perunovich (who I feel should have a good chance to make the roster) will have to clear waivers. So there might be some interesting choices. Waiving and sending down Scandella, perhaps?
Barring trade, it feels like one of those things that gets sorted out by an injury at camp.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!

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BluesSK wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:45 pm Has anyone done any playing around with potential lineups for the upcoming season.

The forwards and goal are pretty much set but defense is going to be interesting. Almost all of our defense except for Perunovich (who I feel should have a good chance to make the roster) will have to clear waivers. So there might be some interesting choices. Waiving and sending down Scandella, perhaps?
Saad - Thomas - Kyrou
Schenn - Buch - Vrana (flip flop Schenn and Buch if you want)
Blais - Hayes - Kap
Neighbours - Alexandrov - Torpo

Walker

Leddy - Parayko
Krug - Faulk
Scandella - Tucker

Rosen Bortz

Binner
Hofer

Next men up: Bolduc, Macmac, Prune.

No clue where MacMac fits in which is why I didn't understand the guaranteed 2 year deal. I'm sure someone will get banged up and start the season injured. Maybe Bolduc comes into came and lights it up. Maybe Prune does. Any body that would have to clear waivers to make room for them, Walker/Rosen you're not terribly concerned with losing.
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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:26 pm
BluesSK wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:45 pm Has anyone done any playing around with potential lineups for the upcoming season.

The forwards and goal are pretty much set but defense is going to be interesting. Almost all of our defense except for Perunovich (who I feel should have a good chance to make the roster) will have to clear waivers. So there might be some interesting choices. Waiving and sending down Scandella, perhaps?
Saad - Thomas - Kyrou
Schenn - Buch - Vrana (flip flop Schenn and Buch if you want)
Blais - Hayes - Kap
Neighbours - Alexandrov - Torpo

Walker

Leddy - Parayko
Krug - Faulk
Scandella - Tucker

Rosen Bortz

Binner
Hofer

Next men up: Bolduc, Macmac, Prune.

No clue where MacMac fits in which is why I didn't understand the guaranteed 2 year deal. I'm sure someone will get banged up and start the season injured. Maybe Bolduc comes into came and lights it up. Maybe Prune does. Any body that would have to clear waivers to make room for them, Walker/Rosen you're not terribly concerned with losing.
The second year for Mac almost ensures he won't get claimed on waivers. In any event I'm not certain that there is anyone with a realistic shot of being put on waivers that I'd miss much.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!

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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:26 pm
BluesSK wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:45 pm Has anyone done any playing around with potential lineups for the upcoming season.

The forwards and goal are pretty much set but defense is going to be interesting. Almost all of our defense except for Perunovich (who I feel should have a good chance to make the roster) will have to clear waivers. So there might be some interesting choices. Waiving and sending down Scandella, perhaps?
Saad - Thomas - Kyrou
Schenn - Buch - Vrana (flip flop Schenn and Buch if you want)
Blais - Hayes - Kap
Neighbours - Alexandrov - Torpo

Walker

Leddy - Parayko
Krug - Faulk
Scandella - Tucker

Rosen Bortz

Binner
Hofer

Next men up: Bolduc, Macmac, Prune.

No clue where MacMac fits in which is why I didn't understand the guaranteed 2 year deal. I'm sure someone will get banged up and start the season injured. Maybe Bolduc comes into came and lights it up. Maybe Prune does. Any body that would have to clear waivers to make room for them, Walker/Rosen you're not terribly concerned with losing.
I can almost understand why we signed MacEachern but I really struggle to understand why we signed him to a one way deal and for two seasons.

I think they, Armstrong and Berube, want Alexandrov up and have indicated in interviews that they feel he is ready to make the jump full time to the NHL.

I think there is such a lack of good young defense in the NHL that I would be hesitant to expose Rosen and would rather move Scandella down. i certainly don't want to expose Tucker yet unless he really stinks in camp. Also with our holes on defense if Perunovich can't make the team out of camp he will never make it. He's got to be up. It's time to play the kids.

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BluesSK wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:10 pm
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:26 pm
BluesSK wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:45 pm Has anyone done any playing around with potential lineups for the upcoming season.

The forwards and goal are pretty much set but defense is going to be interesting. Almost all of our defense except for Perunovich (who I feel should have a good chance to make the roster) will have to clear waivers. So there might be some interesting choices. Waiving and sending down Scandella, perhaps?
Saad - Thomas - Kyrou
Schenn - Buch - Vrana (flip flop Schenn and Buch if you want)
Blais - Hayes - Kap
Neighbours - Alexandrov - Torpo

Walker

Leddy - Parayko
Krug - Faulk
Scandella - Tucker

Rosen Bortz

Binner
Hofer

Next men up: Bolduc, Macmac, Prune.

No clue where MacMac fits in which is why I didn't understand the guaranteed 2 year deal. I'm sure someone will get banged up and start the season injured. Maybe Bolduc comes into came and lights it up. Maybe Prune does. Any body that would have to clear waivers to make room for them, Walker/Rosen you're not terribly concerned with losing.
I can almost understand why we signed MacEachern but I really struggle to understand why we signed him to a one way deal and for two seasons.

I think they, Armstrong and Berube, want Alexandrov up and have indicated in interviews that they feel he is ready to make the jump full time to the NHL.

I think there is such a lack of good young defense in the NHL that I would be hesitant to expose Rosen and would rather move Scandella down. i certainly don't want to expose Tucker yet unless he really stinks in camp. Also with our holes on defense if Perunovich can't make the team out of camp he will never make it. He's got to be up. It's time to play the kids.
For what it's worth, Rosen turns 30 this coming season.
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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:14 pm
BluesSK wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:10 pm
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:26 pm

Saad - Thomas - Kyrou
Schenn - Buch - Vrana (flip flop Schenn and Buch if you want)
Blais - Hayes - Kap
Neighbours - Alexandrov - Torpo

Walker

Leddy - Parayko
Krug - Faulk
Scandella - Tucker

Rosen Bortz

Binner
Hofer

Next men up: Bolduc, Macmac, Prune.

No clue where MacMac fits in which is why I didn't understand the guaranteed 2 year deal. I'm sure someone will get banged up and start the season injured. Maybe Bolduc comes into came and lights it up. Maybe Prune does. Any body that would have to clear waivers to make room for them, Walker/Rosen you're not terribly concerned with losing.
I can almost understand why we signed MacEachern but I really struggle to understand why we signed him to a one way deal and for two seasons.

I think they, Armstrong and Berube, want Alexandrov up and have indicated in interviews that they feel he is ready to make the jump full time to the NHL.

I think there is such a lack of good young defense in the NHL that I would be hesitant to expose Rosen and would rather move Scandella down. i certainly don't want to expose Tucker yet unless he really stinks in camp. Also with our holes on defense if Perunovich can't make the team out of camp he will never make it. He's got to be up. It's time to play the kids.
For what it's worth, Rosen turns 30 this coming season.
Fair enough. But I'd still rather have him over Scandella.