Turning sammy blais into Tkachuk would be an absolute masterclassOzzies09tc wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:38 pm 101.1 were speculating if kyrou is not part of the deal - buchnevich has to be, but that wouldnt be enough
No shot he hits free agency. Any team trading for him will want a contract signed before giving up major assets.Matangama wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:36 am I’ll go on record…..the Blues are not trading Kyrou or Buchnevich in this deal. If the price is too high, they will simply wait.
Throw in Ian ColeDread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:47 am Proud that no one has offered Dags and a 3rd yet
Dread, that’s the exact point. No team will give up significant assets to get him without him signing long-term. It sounds like that 5 team list was nothing but bullshit. Whatever…….we’ll find out soonDread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:46 amNo shot he hits free agency. Any team trading for him will want a contract signed before giving up major assets.Matangama wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:36 am I’ll go on record…..the Blues are not trading Kyrou or Buchnevich in this deal. If the price is too high, they will simply wait.
Yeah, Doug knows the inside scoop on what Matt's intentions really are. If no deal happens and we wait, I gotta believe ML is 100% committed to STL and we will still get him as a UFA next year. I still say Blues could swing this with Barbashev, Krug and a 1st. Given the circumstances Calgary is up against, that's a fair deal and Blues still come out like bandits as they're top 9 would be sick with Kyrou, Buch and Tank all still here.Matangama wrote:Dread, that’s the exact point. No team will give up significant assets to get him without him signing long-term. It sounds like that 5 team list was nothing but bullshit. Whatever…….we’ll find out soonDread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:46 amNo shot he hits free agency. Any team trading for him will want a contract signed before giving up major assets.Matangama wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:36 am I’ll go on record…..the Blues are not trading Kyrou or Buchnevich in this deal. If the price is too high, they will simply wait.
I reject the premise. Strickland just trying to let people know he has a GM that texts back.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:53 am Good luck dumping Scandella. Makes me wonder what kind of offers Tarasenko is returning
Good oneDave's a mess wrote:I reject the premise. Strickland just trying to let people know he has a GM that texts back.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:53 am Good luck dumping Scandella. Makes me wonder what kind of offers Tarasenko is returning
Yeah, I mean Ottawa just got rid of almost all of the worst goalie contract in the league for almost nothing. You just have to use your phone and find a rube. He's probably texting Chuck Fletcher, who fucked up having the league's best UFA desperately wanting to come play for his team.BillP. wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:00 amGood oneDave's a mess wrote:I reject the premise. Strickland just trying to let people know he has a GM that texts back.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:53 am Good luck dumping Scandella. Makes me wonder what kind of offers Tarasenko is returning
According to The B LEAV Blues Podcast Team, Army's last offer was WAYYYYYY short of matching Florida's, - offering Tarasenko, Scandella, and a first Round draft choice. IF that is true, it's clear that he was never serious about going after Tkachuck, and wasn't willing to part with ANY of Thomas, Kyrou, Parayko, or Buchnevich to get him into a Blues' uniform. Army also probably figured he wouldn't want to pay the $10.5 million AAV for 8 years Tkachuck would want as a UFA next offseason, if, somehow, we would luck out and NO NHL team would be willing to trade for him now, WITHOUT him signing a long-term contract first.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:37 amIf they ask for Kyrou, Parayko, and a 1st I still make the trade. But I think the Blues would prefer it be Krug over ParaykoDave's a mess wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:28 amIf you trade ROR in a package for Tkachuk, you're a worse team next year. That's not what Armstrong's looking to do here. I agree that there's a definite chance he leaves for nothing next summer, but I don't think there's any chance he's traded unless the season goes horribly wrong.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:16 am
I fully expect both to walk away after this season although I think ROR would be more likely to re-sign and for less than Tarasenko. That said, no shot they trade ROR imo. You run the risk of losing the locker room if you do that
Regardless of where Tkachuk goes if he's traded, I have a feeling the return might be less than people expect. Either he doesn't sign a contract and the new team only has him for one guaranteed season, or he's allowed to negotiate an extension proactively with a team of his choosing, which obviously narrows the pool quite a bit. It'll still be a substantial return, but not some franchise altering bounty of riches.
Give Army credit, getting Tkachuk and unloading Scandella in the same deal? If he’d of pulled that offRobb_K wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:06 pmAccording to The B LEAV Blues Podcast Team, Army's last offer was WAYYYYYY short of matching Florida's, - offering Tarasenko, Scandella, and a first Round draft choice. IF that is true, it's clear that he was never serious about going after Tkachuck, and wasn't willing to part with ANY of Thomas, Kyrou, Parayko, or Buchnevich to get him into a Blues' uniform. Army also probably figured he wouldn't want to pay the $10.5 million AAV for 8 years Tkachuck would want as a UFA next offseason, if, somehow, we would luck out and NO NHL team would be willing to trade for him now, WITHOUT him signing a long-term contract first.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:37 amIf they ask for Kyrou, Parayko, and a 1st I still make the trade. But I think the Blues would prefer it be Krug over ParaykoDave's a mess wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:28 am
If you trade ROR in a package for Tkachuk, you're a worse team next year. That's not what Armstrong's looking to do here. I agree that there's a definite chance he leaves for nothing next summer, but I don't think there's any chance he's traded unless the season goes horribly wrong.
Regardless of where Tkachuk goes if he's traded, I have a feeling the return might be less than people expect. Either he doesn't sign a contract and the new team only has him for one guaranteed season, or he's allowed to negotiate an extension proactively with a team of his choosing, which obviously narrows the pool quite a bit. It'll still be a substantial return, but not some franchise altering bounty of riches.
True, but he's the same age as Robert Thomas. That would be a more apt comparison.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:19 pm
People forget he’s only 23 years old. He’s 9 months younger than Perunovich.
My point was, this isn’t his last chance be it with the Blues or another team but hopefully he doesn’t need any more.BluesSK wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:44 pmTrue, but he's the same age as Robert Thomas. That would be a more apt comparison.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:19 pm
People forget he’s only 23 years old. He’s 9 months younger than Perunovich.
I think he needs a real chance but it's not going to go beyond this season if he doesn't produce
Too many. Armstrong learned from his mistakes.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:21 pmMy point was, this isn’t his last chance be it with the Blues or another team but hopefully he doesn’t need any more.BluesSK wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:44 pmTrue, but he's the same age as Robert Thomas. That would be a more apt comparison.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:19 pm
People forget he’s only 23 years old. He’s 9 months younger than Perunovich.
I think he needs a real chance but it's not going to go beyond this season if he doesn't produce
How many shots did Ty Rattie get who doesn’t have nearly the skill of Kostin.
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote:My point was, this isn’t his last chance be it with the Blues or another team but hopefully he doesn’t need any more.BluesSK wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:44 pmTrue, but he's the same age as Robert Thomas. That would be a more apt comparison.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:19 pm
People forget he’s only 23 years old. He’s 9 months younger than Perunovich.
I think he needs a real chance but it's not going to go beyond this season if he doesn't produce
How many shots did Ty Rattie get who doesn’t have nearly the skill of Kostin.
Glad to see The Blues keep Kostin at a great low cap hit. I still have hopes he can make it as a 3rd or 4th liner. But, as a former 1st rounder, he can be a trade filler that we won't mind losing, if we want to keep someone else more. That provides more depth that doesn't hurt the cap situation. So, a good keep for Army.Turk Sanderson wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:39 pm Now that he's signed, he can go with Krug in that Chychrun / Crouse deal. Get 'er done, Army!
