The league is stupid if it doesn't happen.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/drone ... new-arena/

Meanwhile, I read that the Coyotes have already reached the $50 million in losses "out clause" that was part of the agreement. What has it been only two years since that agreement was reached and they've already reached their minimum loss level... It was supposed to be a 5 years or $50mil in losses or something like that.
They only sold out 3 games or so last year according to that article.

NHLTIM wrote:Meanwhile, I read that the Coyotes have already reached the $50 million in losses "out clause" that was part of the agreement. What has it been only two years since that agreement was reached and they've already reached their minimum loss level... It was supposed to be a 5 years or $50mil in losses or something like that.
They only sold out 3 games or so last year according to that article.

Lose that kind of money in Vegas, and someone is swimming with cement shoes on.

Turk Sanderson wrote:

NHLTIM wrote:Meanwhile, I read that the Coyotes have already reached the $50 million in losses "out clause" that was part of the agreement. What has it been only two years since that agreement was reached and they've already reached their minimum loss level... It was supposed to be a 5 years or $50mil in losses or something like that.
They only sold out 3 games or so last year according to that article.

Lose that kind of money in Vegas, and someone is swimming with cement shoes on.

Vegas Coyotes coming soon?

Blues14 wrote:

Turk Sanderson wrote:

NHLTIM wrote:Meanwhile, I read that the Coyotes have already reached the $50 million in losses "out clause" that was part of the agreement. What has it been only two years since that agreement was reached and they've already reached their minimum loss level... It was supposed to be a 5 years or $50mil in losses or something like that.
They only sold out 3 games or so last year according to that article.

Lose that kind of money in Vegas, and someone is swimming with cement shoes on.

Vegas Coyotes coming soon?

Doubtful IMO. Franchise fees far exceed relocation fees by a great margin.

Turk Sanderson wrote:

NHLTIM wrote:Meanwhile, I read that the Coyotes have already reached the $50 million in losses "out clause" that was part of the agreement. What has it been only two years since that agreement was reached and they've already reached their minimum loss level... It was supposed to be a 5 years or $50mil in losses or something like that.
They only sold out 3 games or so last year according to that article.

Lose that kind of money in Vegas, and someone is swimming with cement shoes on.

With the recent water concerns out West I hear they're going to start using tubs of Wayne Newton's hair product.

Turk Sanderson wrote:

NHLTIM wrote:Meanwhile, I read that the Coyotes have already reached the $50 million in losses "out clause" that was part of the agreement. What has it been only two years since that agreement was reached and they've already reached their minimum loss level... It was supposed to be a 5 years or $50mil in losses or something like that.
They only sold out 3 games or so last year according to that article.

Lose that kind of money in Vegas, and someone is swimming with cement shoes on.

It's amazing how much money that franchise seems to lose.

Anton Chigurh wrote:

Turk Sanderson wrote:

NHLTIM wrote:Meanwhile, I read that the Coyotes have already reached the $50 million in losses "out clause" that was part of the agreement. What has it been only two years since that agreement was reached and they've already reached their minimum loss level... It was supposed to be a 5 years or $50mil in losses or something like that.
They only sold out 3 games or so last year according to that article.

Lose that kind of money in Vegtas, and someone is swimming with cement shoes on.

With the recent water concerns out West I hear they're going to start using tubs of Wayne Newton's hair product.

Where did the Las Vegas Thunder of the now defunct IHL play their games? Thomas and Mack Center?

More hockey in the fucking desert that no one will care about. Hooray.... Meanwhile great potential hockey markets like Quebec, Southern Ontario, Hartford, Seattle, Portland remain without a team. No idea why Vegas is even on the table.

ratonmono wrote:More hockey in the fucking desert that no one will care about. Hooray.... Meanwhile great potential hockey markets like Quebec, Southern Ontario, Hartford, Seattle, Portland remain without a team. No idea why Vegas is even on the table.

As always, follow the money.

MissouriMook wrote:

ratonmono wrote:More hockey in the fucking desert that no one will care about. Hooray.... Meanwhile great potential hockey markets like Quebec, Southern Ontario, Hartford, Seattle, Portland remain without a team. No idea why Vegas is even on the table.

As always, follow the money.

The big money is in Southern Ontario though, and Seattle and Portland are far bigger markets than Vegas will ever be. If it were always about the money Jim Balsille would own a team in Hamilton. I just don't get the fixation with trying to grow the game in a place like Vegas when the water shortages in the west are not going away any time soon. Vegas might not even exist in 100 years.

ratonmono wrote:More hockey in the fucking desert that no one will care about. Hooray.... Meanwhile great potential hockey markets like Quebec, Southern Ontario, Hartford, Seattle, Portland remain without a team. No idea why Vegas is even on the table.

Well....they have an owner with huge dollars that will pay the expansion fee, they have an arena already going up, but the most important reason is that the NHL wants to break the barrier and be the first pro sports team to call Vegas home.

ratonmono wrote:

MissouriMook wrote:

ratonmono wrote:More hockey in the fucking desert that no one will care about. Hooray.... Meanwhile great potential hockey markets like Quebec, Southern Ontario, Hartford, Seattle, Portland remain without a team. No idea why Vegas is even on the table.

As always, follow the money.

The big money is in Southern Ontario though, and Seattle and Portland are far bigger markets than Vegas will ever be. If it were always about the money Jim Balsille would own a team in Hamilton. I just don't get the fixation with trying to grow the game in a place like Vegas when the water shortages in the west are not going away any time soon. Vegas might not even exist in 100 years.

They just couldn't forgive Balsille...he tried to get in via a backdoor and pissed off all the owners. He was basically blacklisted after that!

ratonmono wrote:More hockey in the fucking desert that no one will care about. Hooray.... Meanwhile great potential hockey markets like Quebec, Southern Ontario, Hartford, Seattle, Portland remain without a team. No idea why Vegas is even on the table.

Can the Rose Garden be converted to hockey? Or would an entirely new arena be built? Vancouver and SJ would become immediate rivals right from the get go.

NHLTIM wrote:

ratonmono wrote:More hockey in the fucking desert that no one will care about. Hooray.... Meanwhile great potential hockey markets like Quebec, Southern Ontario, Hartford, Seattle, Portland remain without a team. No idea why Vegas is even on the table.

Well....they have an owner with huge dollars that will pay the expansion fee, they have an arena already going up, but the most important reason is that the NHL wants to break the barrier and be the first pro sports team to call Vegas home.

Yeah I get all of that. I just think this is going to be another Phoenix episode if not worse.

Vegas is a pit with a bunch of bums living there. Seattle would be prime...a bunch of tools with nothing to do and more money than GOD. There are ten billion coffee shops in Seattle, and other than sailing to Canada for better drugs there is not a whole lot to do.

Thunder, by the way, did indeed play at the Thomas and Mack Center

CaptSMRT wrote:Vegas is a pit with a bunch of bums living there. Seattle would be prime...a bunch of tools with nothing to do and more money than GOD. There are ten billion coffee shops in Seattle, and other than sailing to Canada for better drugs there is not a whole lot to do.

Maybe they could skate on ice mocha.
Nick

It would be interesting to see a breakdown of attendance. I'm thinking:
Corporate - 30%
Tourists - 30%
Local fans - 25%
Comped high Rollers - 15%

While there are detractors, the opportunity to become the first league to have a major team there is too big to pass up as far as growing the game and making a pretty penny.

I just don't know who is going to attend games in Vegas. I was reading a population study about Vegas compared to other major cities and there are just huge differences between their population and other cities. Most notably with regards to sports, most of the population of Vegas works at night, significantly more than most other cities. If they're working during the games who is going to be at the arena?

UMSLBlues12 wrote:I just don't know who is going to attend games in Vegas. I was reading a population study about Vegas compared to other major cities and there are just huge differences between their population and other cities. Most notably with regards to sports, most of the population of Vegas works at night, significantly more than most other cities. If they're working during the games who is going to be at the arena?

You're right in terms of local fan base, but they can easily fill an arena 41 nights a year in Las Vegas. Millions of square feet of convention space between Las Vegas Convention Center and Sands Convention Center alone. Plus pretty much every major property on the Strip has its own conference space. Tens (sometimes hundreds) of thousands of people attending conventions every day, most of whom looking to fill their evenings. Corporations taking care of their clients..... Casinos comping high rollers.... Millions of tourists always looking for entertainment at night.... Billions of dollars being thrown around.... Tickets for top shows start at >$100. You'd bring in perhaps 5,000 (if that) local hockey fans to each game and easily fill the rest of the building with people in town on business or leisure. Terrible atmosphere for the home team, but from an economic standpoint, I think they could pull if off.

theyve already sold 11000+ season ticket deposits. The main reason for picking LV over Quebec City or any other candaian city is money. Vegas damn near prints money every day.. More money to be made in LV than QC. And with a weak CDN dollar, they choice is pretty obvious. Unlike Glendale, I think LV can make it work because the arena is on the Las Vegas Strip...not miles away from down town like the Coyotes did, thats the yotes biggest eff up.

insideout wrote:... You'd bring in perhaps 5,000 (if that) local hockey fans to each game and easily fill the rest of the building with people in town on business or leisure. Terrible atmosphere for the home team, but from an economic standpoint, I think they could pull if off.

The Las Vegas ECHL team drew over 4,500 per game for 8 of their 11 seasons, including their final two years, so 5K locals for an NHL team wouldn't be much of a stretch. Not sure what you'd characterize as a "terrible atmosphere for the home team," as an NHL game experience in most cities these days is more show than hockey anyway.