ratonmono wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:22 am What the fuck is it with stl team medical staffs?

Also. Nothing to do with Tarasenko but we really need to tear this team down and rebuild. OReilly won’t like it but it’s necessary.

MattyIce wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:56 am

ratonmono wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:22 am What the fuck is it with stl team medical staffs?

Also. Nothing to do with Tarasenko but we really need to tear this team down and rebuild. OReilly won’t like it but it’s necessary.

I don't really agree with the break it down and rebuild idea. Bozak, Schwartz, Hoffman, and at least some of Tanks money will be off the books.
Perron, ROR, Schenn, Thomas, Kyrou, Krug, Faulk, Binner is a really good core to build around.
With the right moves and some hopeful further development from Kyrou and Thomas, they can still put out a hell of a team.

ratonmono wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:02 am

MattyIce wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:56 am

ratonmono wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:22 am What the fuck is it with stl team medical staffs?

Also. Nothing to do with Tarasenko but we really need to tear this team down and rebuild. OReilly won’t like it but it’s necessary.

I don't really agree with the break it down and rebuild idea. Bozak, Schwartz, Hoffman, and at least some of Tanks money will be off the books.
Perron, ROR, Schenn, Thomas, Kyrou, Krug, Faulk, Binner is a really good core to build around.
With the right moves and some hopeful further development from Kyrou and Thomas, they can still put out a hell of a team.

I don’t think that’s a great core at all. ROR certainly is. The others are just good players, lots of teams have much better.

MattyIce wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:10 pm

ratonmono wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:02 am

MattyIce wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:56 am

I don't really agree with the break it down and rebuild idea. Bozak, Schwartz, Hoffman, and at least some of Tanks money will be off the books.
Perron, ROR, Schenn, Thomas, Kyrou, Krug, Faulk, Binner is a really good core to build around.
With the right moves and some hopeful further development from Kyrou and Thomas, they can still put out a hell of a team.

I don’t think that’s a great core at all. ROR certainly is. The others are just good players, lots of teams have much better.

The Blues don't have elite players. They have to win the same way they won in 2019. Have a shit ton of depth, be healthy, and a hot goalie.
With cap flexibility and that core they absolutely can build a team deep enough to win a cup. That's not saying the stars will align, though, or that the pieces will be there.

MattyIce wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:10 pm

ratonmono wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:02 am

MattyIce wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:56 am

I don't really agree with the break it down and rebuild idea. Bozak, Schwartz, Hoffman, and at least some of Tanks money will be off the books.
Perron, ROR, Schenn, Thomas, Kyrou, Krug, Faulk, Binner is a really good core to build around.
With the right moves and some hopeful further development from Kyrou and Thomas, they can still put out a hell of a team.

I don’t think that’s a great core at all. ROR certainly is. The others are just good players, lots of teams have much better.

The Blues don't have elite players. They have to win the same way they won in 2019. Have a shit ton of depth, be healthy, and a hot goalie.
With cap flexibility and that core they absolutely can build a team deep enough to win a cup. That's not saying the stars will align, though, or that the pieces will be there.

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:14 pm I think some of you will be surprised by how much trade value Tarasenko has

BillP. wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:51 pm

MattyIce wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:10 pm

ratonmono wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:02 am

I don’t think that’s a great core at all. ROR certainly is. The others are just good players, lots of teams have much better.

The Blues don't have elite players. They have to win the same way they won in 2019. Have a shit ton of depth, be healthy, and a hot goalie.
With cap flexibility and that core they absolutely can build a team deep enough to win a cup. That's not saying the stars will align, though, or that the pieces will be there.

Listen to Matty. He was the ONLY one and I mean ONLY one that stood by the Blues during their Cup year. When the team sucked and we all said blow it up and Lose for Hughes, Matty was the only guy that never gave up on the team. He was there from beginning to end. Dude got rewarded for his faith.

Any by the way, how is Hughes looking these days? Doesn't seem worth losing for now

BillP. wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:51 pmListen to Matty. He was the ONLY one and I mean ONLY one that stood by the Blues during their Cup year. When the team sucked and we all said blow it up and Lose for Hughes, Matty was the only guy that never gave up on the team. He was there from beginning to end. Dude got rewarded for his faith. ...

JMC-STL wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:24 pm

BillP. wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:51 pmListen to Matty. He was the ONLY one and I mean ONLY one that stood by the Blues during their Cup year. When the team sucked and we all said blow it up and Lose for Hughes, Matty was the only guy that never gave up on the team. He was there from beginning to end. Dude got rewarded for his faith. ...

Hold back a bit of that faith talk, as MattyI' will now have to wait an extra year for the return to play of his precious BattleHawks. THAT will be his next test of loyalty.

BillP. wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:16 am

JMC-STL wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:24 pm

BillP. wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:51 pmListen to Matty. He was the ONLY one and I mean ONLY one that stood by the Blues during their Cup year. When the team sucked and we all said blow it up and Lose for Hughes, Matty was the only guy that never gave up on the team. He was there from beginning to end. Dude got rewarded for his faith. ...

Hold back a bit of that faith talk, as MattyI' will now have to wait an extra year for the return to play of his precious BattleHawks. THAT will be his next test of loyalty.

Props to you for remembering his affinity for both the BattleHawks and XFL

bradleygt89 wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:25 pm I'm not happy to see Tarasenko leave, at all. Outside of Brett Hull, he's been my favorite Blues player. But I get why he may be ready to move on, and why the team will probably grant his wish. I will always wish him well and hope he makes it to the HOF...partly because that will increase the value of the KHL autographed jersey I got of his back in 2010 and because he helped us win the SC. Anyone who says 'fuck Tarasenko' (or Petro or any other Blues player from 18/19 for that matter) really must also hate the Blues Cup win. Players leave all the time, doesn't mean we have to be dicks or bitches about it. /

And this will be a weird off-season, as we all know. Between the expansion draft fodder, we have Tarasenko, Schwartz, Bozak, and several other long-time Blues that we have watched for the last few or more years will most likely be gone. I don't have a lot of hope that we will be SC contenders next season, but hopefully within a couple of years we'll be back up. We really, really need to get some faster and tougher talent. Hate on my local team all you like, but the Lightning have been consistent in showing the way. I don't think their personnel decisions from top to bottom is a fad, but a true way to succeed in the NHL as a contender. Hopefully the Blues ownership and management see that and embrace it.

NHLTIM wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:01 am

bradleygt89 wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:25 pm I'm not happy to see Tarasenko leave, at all. Outside of Brett Hull, he's been my favorite Blues player. But I get why he may be ready to move on, and why the team will probably grant his wish. I will always wish him well and hope he makes it to the HOF...partly because that will increase the value of the KHL autographed jersey I got of his back in 2010 and because he helped us win the SC. Anyone who says 'fuck Tarasenko' (or Petro or any other Blues player from 18/19 for that matter) really must also hate the Blues Cup win. Players leave all the time, doesn't mean we have to be dicks or bitches about it. /

And this will be a weird off-season, as we all know. Between the expansion draft fodder, we have Tarasenko, Schwartz, Bozak, and several other long-time Blues that we have watched for the last few or more years will most likely be gone. I don't have a lot of hope that we will be SC contenders next season, but hopefully within a couple of years we'll be back up. We really, really need to get some faster and tougher talent. Hate on my local team all you like, but the Lightning have been consistent in showing the way. I don't think their personnel decisions from top to bottom is a fad, but a true way to succeed in the NHL as a contender. Hopefully the Blues ownership and management see that and embrace it.

Tampa is where they are for one big reason...their ability to scout players and go against the norm which Yzerman deserves a lot of credit for. Granted it helps having a couple of high picks but their ability to find and develop players is tops in the league. They’ve got about 6 kids that can’t even really crack a regular spot in that lineup so they just patiently develop them in the minors until they are needed. What team did that better than anybody years ago? The Detroit Red Wings.

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:19 am

NHLTIM wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:01 am

bradleygt89 wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:25 pm I'm not happy to see Tarasenko leave, at all. Outside of Brett Hull, he's been my favorite Blues player. But I get why he may be ready to move on, and why the team will probably grant his wish. I will always wish him well and hope he makes it to the HOF...partly because that will increase the value of the KHL autographed jersey I got of his back in 2010 and because he helped us win the SC. Anyone who says 'fuck Tarasenko' (or Petro or any other Blues player from 18/19 for that matter) really must also hate the Blues Cup win. Players leave all the time, doesn't mean we have to be dicks or bitches about it. /

And this will be a weird off-season, as we all know. Between the expansion draft fodder, we have Tarasenko, Schwartz, Bozak, and several other long-time Blues that we have watched for the last few or more years will most likely be gone. I don't have a lot of hope that we will be SC contenders next season, but hopefully within a couple of years we'll be back up. We really, really need to get some faster and tougher talent. Hate on my local team all you like, but the Lightning have been consistent in showing the way. I don't think their personnel decisions from top to bottom is a fad, but a true way to succeed in the NHL as a contender. Hopefully the Blues ownership and management see that and embrace it.

Tampa is where they are for one big reason...their ability to scout players and go against the norm which Yzerman deserves a lot of credit for. Granted it helps having a couple of high picks but their ability to find and develop players is tops in the league. They’ve got about 6 kids that can’t even really crack a regular spot in that lineup so they just patiently develop them in the minors until they are needed. What team did that better than anybody years ago? The Detroit Red Wings.

And completely breaking the salary cap

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:19 am

NHLTIM wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:01 am

bradleygt89 wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:25 pm I'm not happy to see Tarasenko leave, at all. Outside of Brett Hull, he's been my favorite Blues player. But I get why he may be ready to move on, and why the team will probably grant his wish. I will always wish him well and hope he makes it to the HOF...partly because that will increase the value of the KHL autographed jersey I got of his back in 2010 and because he helped us win the SC. Anyone who says 'fuck Tarasenko' (or Petro or any other Blues player from 18/19 for that matter) really must also hate the Blues Cup win. Players leave all the time, doesn't mean we have to be dicks or bitches about it. /

And this will be a weird off-season, as we all know. Between the expansion draft fodder, we have Tarasenko, Schwartz, Bozak, and several other long-time Blues that we have watched for the last few or more years will most likely be gone. I don't have a lot of hope that we will be SC contenders next season, but hopefully within a couple of years we'll be back up. We really, really need to get some faster and tougher talent. Hate on my local team all you like, but the Lightning have been consistent in showing the way. I don't think their personnel decisions from top to bottom is a fad, but a true way to succeed in the NHL as a contender. Hopefully the Blues ownership and management see that and embrace it.

Tampa is where they are for one big reason...their ability to scout players and go against the norm which Yzerman deserves a lot of credit for. Granted it helps having a couple of high picks but their ability to find and develop players is tops in the league. They’ve got about 6 kids that can’t even really crack a regular spot in that lineup so they just patiently develop them in the minors until they are needed. What team did that better than anybody years ago? The Detroit Red Wings.

And completely breaking the salary cap

Dave's a mess wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:32 am

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:19 am

NHLTIM wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:01 am

Tampa is where they are for one big reason...their ability to scout players and go against the norm which Yzerman deserves a lot of credit for. Granted it helps having a couple of high picks but their ability to find and develop players is tops in the league. They’ve got about 6 kids that can’t even really crack a regular spot in that lineup so they just patiently develop them in the minors until they are needed. What team did that better than anybody years ago? The Detroit Red Wings.

And completely breaking the salary cap

If you are OK with not having the MVP from a couple years ago play the whole season, before jumping into the playoffs, go for it. Tampa didn't make the rules, they just are smart enough to use them to their advantage.

JMC-STL wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:55 am

BillP. wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:16 am

JMC-STL wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:24 pm
Hold back a bit of that faith talk, as MattyI' will now have to wait an extra year for the return to play of his precious BattleHawks. THAT will be his next test of loyalty.

Props to you for remembering his affinity for both the BattleHawks and XFL

The "KA-KAW!" in his signature block gives him away every time.

JMC-STL wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:55 am

BillP. wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:16 am

JMC-STL wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:24 pm
Hold back a bit of that faith talk, as MattyI' will now have to wait an extra year for the return to play of his precious BattleHawks. THAT will be his next test of loyalty.

Props to you for remembering his affinity for both the BattleHawks and XFL

The "KA-KAW!" in his signature block gives him away every time.