Re: NHL Offseason Trades and Signings
126Not sure if how quiet it is on the Petro front is good news or bad news
No big signings yet at all. Krug, Hall, Hoffman etc are all still out there too. Maybe one of those will break the dam as teams know where they're budget can go.UMSLBlues12 wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:48 am Not sure if how quiet it is on the Petro front is good news or bad news
Teams should get a salary cap waiver for one player when they resign in a pandemic year.Dave's a mess wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:59 am
I guess I can go to lunch, but I'm probably gonna miss all the other good stuff.
You never "replace" a player. Its about allocating money for other areas.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:23 am Signing Petro won't hinder the team going forward. Losing him will. Because once he's gone, you're going to be spending your time trying to replace him just like they did when they traded Pronger.
Petro is not Pronger..................it'll be great to see how Petro works out in a new place. He was never a difference maker here until we had the killer B combo of Berube and Binnington................Petro wants to walk away from Captaincy of a Cup team, having his jersey retired, and seeing a statue built for him............so I say, fine ------------ See ya!MattyIce wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:26 pmYou never "replace" a player. Its about allocating money for other areas.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:23 am Signing Petro won't hinder the team going forward. Losing him will. Because once he's gone, you're going to be spending your time trying to replace him just like they did when they traded Pronger.
Look at this group of forwards and their contract situations. There is a lot of work to be done with this group. Especially with Tank's recent injuries.
If we sign Petro long term, we better hope Kyrou and Kostin turn into something, because there isn't much depth there.
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I completely agree. Good player for sure, and Lord knows I have some awesome pictures of him hoisting the Cup, but he is a very good, very solid player, and not a superstar. I hope he comes back on a good contract for both sides, but he just isn’t a guy I want to Blues to pay huge bucks for.BillP. wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:38 pm
Petro is not Pronger..................it'll be great to see how Petro works out in a new place. He was never a difference maker here until we had the killer B combo of Berube and Binnington................Petro wants to walk away from Captaincy of a Cup team, having his jersey retired, and seeing a statue built for him............so I say, fine ------------ See ya!
I think he is currently an elite player, but I just don't know how long that'll last. If it were a 4-5 year deal, great. But despite him being a top 10 (at least) dman currently, I don't think giving a guy his age 7 years at top dollar will work out in the long run...which is why I would be okay with him leaving.Matangama wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:43 pmI completely agree. Good player for sure, and Lord knows I have some awesome pictures of him hoisting the Cup, but he is a very good, very solid player, and not a superstar. I hope he comes back on a good contract for both sides, but he just isn’t a guy I want to Blues to pay huge bucks for.BillP. wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:38 pm
Petro is not Pronger..................it'll be great to see how Petro works out in a new place. He was never a difference maker here until we had the killer B combo of Berube and Binnington................Petro wants to walk away from Captaincy of a Cup team, having his jersey retired, and seeing a statue built for him............so I say, fine ------------ See ya!
He honestly isn’t what I would call elite, but that’s just me. Totally agree with everything else you said.Cujo's Mask wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:49 pmI think he is currently an elite player, but I just don't know how long that'll last. If it were a 4-5 year deal, great. But despite him being a top 10 (at least) dman currently, I don't think giving a guy his age 7 years at top dollar will work out in the long run...which is why I would be okay with him leaving.Matangama wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:43 pmI completely agree. Good player for sure, and Lord knows I have some awesome pictures of him hoisting the Cup, but he is a very good, very solid player, and not a superstar. I hope he comes back on a good contract for both sides, but he just isn’t a guy I want to Blues to pay huge bucks for.BillP. wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:38 pm
Petro is not Pronger..................it'll be great to see how Petro works out in a new place. He was never a difference maker here until we had the killer B combo of Berube and Binnington................Petro wants to walk away from Captaincy of a Cup team, having his jersey retired, and seeing a statue built for him............so I say, fine ------------ See ya!
I would correct you by saying that Berube captained the team a Cup. Everyone dogged Petro's leadership until Berube took over.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:00 pm Captain the team to a Stanley Cup playing 30 mins a night but yeah, not a difference maker. Huge giant eye roll for the lack of respect
Also, no one said he was Pronger. But you'll be desperately trying to replace him like they were Pronger. And mostly failing to do so
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only people I recall dogging his leadership were message board yahoos like us. Berube was the coach, far different from captain, wildly different role. Saying Berube was more important that Petro in the Cup run is entirely defensible, but Berube doesn't win that Cup without Petro either. I don't know whether or not I'd sign him either, but this team goes backwards without him in the short term unless there are other significant additions made.MattyIce wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:04 pmI would correct you by saying that Berube captained the team a Cup. Everyone dogged Petro's leadership until Berube took over.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:00 pm Captain the team to a Stanley Cup playing 30 mins a night but yeah, not a difference maker. Huge giant eye roll for the lack of respect
Also, no one said he was Pronger. But you'll be desperately trying to replace him like they were Pronger. And mostly failing to do so
Listen, he is a damn good player, but I personally want the team to stay flexible. That's just where I am with it.
Calling him not a difference maker is ridiculous though. There's a reason if someone like Vegas signs him, they immediately become the favorite in the west. BECAUSE HES A DIFFERENCE MAKERMattyIce wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:04 pmI would correct you by saying that Berube captained the team a Cup. Everyone dogged Petro's leadership until Berube took over.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:00 pm Captain the team to a Stanley Cup playing 30 mins a night but yeah, not a difference maker. Huge giant eye roll for the lack of respect
Also, no one said he was Pronger. But you'll be desperately trying to replace him like they were Pronger. And mostly failing to do so
Listen, he is a damn good player, but I personally want the team to stay flexible. That's just where I am with it.
I'm honestly hard pressed to find someone on that team (Del Zotto?) that doesn't play an important role in winning that cup.Dave's a mess wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:40 pmCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the only people I recall dogging his leadership were message board yahoos like us. Berube was the coach, far different from captain, wildly different role. Saying Berube was more important that Petro in the Cup run is entirely defensible, but Berube doesn't win that Cup without Petro either. I don't know whether or not I'd sign him either, but this team goes backwards without him in the short term unless there are other significant additions made.MattyIce wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:04 pmI would correct you by saying that Berube captained the team a Cup. Everyone dogged Petro's leadership until Berube took over.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:00 pm Captain the team to a Stanley Cup playing 30 mins a night but yeah, not a difference maker. Huge giant eye roll for the lack of respect
Also, no one said he was Pronger. But you'll be desperately trying to replace him like they were Pronger. And mostly failing to do so
Listen, he is a damn good player, but I personally want the team to stay flexible. That's just where I am with it.
Good for him. Got his ring, now get your money.
Damn. That's a good price. I would have loved the Blues to be in at that amount.
The AAV seems fair to me, but that term and the NMC significantly increases the bust potential of the deal.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:42 pm I feel like 6 x 6 for Markstrom is not going to end up good for Calgary
Exactly...........also Parayko was our best shut down defender during that Cup run. You can’t keep both, and preferably, I want Parayko here.jfbop37 wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:57 pmI'm honestly hard pressed to find someone on that team (Del Zotto?) that doesn't play an important role in winning that cup.Dave's a mess wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:40 pmCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the only people I recall dogging his leadership were message board yahoos like us. Berube was the coach, far different from captain, wildly different role. Saying Berube was more important that Petro in the Cup run is entirely defensible, but Berube doesn't win that Cup without Petro either. I don't know whether or not I'd sign him either, but this team goes backwards without him in the short term unless there are other significant additions made.MattyIce wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:04 pm
I would correct you by saying that Berube captained the team a Cup. Everyone dogged Petro's leadership until Berube took over.
Listen, he is a damn good player, but I personally want the team to stay flexible. That's just where I am with it.
I hope it does. And no way Krug signs anywhere until Petro decides.UMSLBlues12 wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:33 pm https://nesn.com/2020/10/nhl-rumors-blu ... t-re-sign/
Wonder if this has any actual legs. I’ve always liked Krug