I don’t disagree, Dave, but I think we would have destroyed the Leafs. We would have crushed their forwards physically, their D was weak, and goaltending questionable. I think we would have beaten them in 5 games, and at some point in those 5 games, we would have made Nylander openly cry on the ice.Dave's a mess wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:22 pm I get that we all probably have Leaf fatigue, but there's a great chance we would have been facing the Leafs on the Final if Kadri didn't lose his mind for a second. I think they'll be just about as good this year too.
Oh I'm not saying they would've beaten us, just that the thought of them finishing behind Ottawa next season is a bit out there.Matangama wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:31 pmI don’t disagree, Dave, but I think we would have destroyed the Leafs. We would have crushed their forwards physically, their D was weak, and goaltending questionable. I think we would have beaten them in 5 games, and at some point in those 5 games, we would have made Nylander openly cry on the ice.Dave's a mess wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:22 pm I get that we all probably have Leaf fatigue, but there's a great chance we would have been facing the Leafs on the Final if Kadri didn't lose his mind for a second. I think they'll be just about as good this year too.
Yes exactly. That Nylander signing put them over a barrel without a stud Dman.ratonmono wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:51 pmThey're impressive but their defense is just not good enough, and depth wise they seem a bit soft and blah overall. One of those three could be better spent on a true #1 D man, especially with Babcock as their coach. You know it absolutely drives him nuts that he doesn't have a 30 minute a night stud to throw out there. I think the Leafs just aren't that well of a built team. Trading Kadri was a mistake too. Should have been Nylander.
I find it hilarious that Shatty is getting bought out by the Rangers. Hometown team cuts ya, gotta sting.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:02 am If you ever think I know what I'm talking about, just know I once made the case to keep Shattenkirk over Petro.
I'm a fucking idiot.
It's easy to look at the points and just factor out other pieces of the game. He definitely put up points here.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:02 am If you ever think I know what I'm talking about, just know I once made the case to keep Shattenkirk over Petro.
I'm a fucking idiot.
Tim has made this point several times, but he really had the perfect situation here. Was considered a leader, great guy in the locker room, got all the PP minutes he could ever want, wasn't relied upon to take on other team's top players. Was just probably a mistake on his part ever wanting to leave--guy had a chance to be a Blues legend had he stayed.SpacemanSpiff wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:16 pmIt's easy to look at the points and just factor out other pieces of the game. He definitely put up points here.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:02 am If you ever think I know what I'm talking about, just know I once made the case to keep Shattenkirk over Petro.
I'm a fucking idiot.
I also think those injuries the last 2-3 years have taken their toll on him as well.
In your defense, I believe that whole debate started around the time Shattenkirk had like 72 points in his last 80 games over a 2 year stretch. He was on a hot streak for a while and was looking good at that time. I was always on the band wagon that we could replace Petro, but in our defense, Berube was the difference maker here and just brought the best out of Petro. Alex just got better each round going forward. So unlike him in years past where he would just wilt away, as he did in 16 when the Blues made the Conf Finals. Berube gets a lot of credit here for bringing the best out of our Captain.Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:02 am If you ever think I know what I'm talking about, just know I once made the case to keep Shattenkirk over Petro.
I'm a fucking idiot.
I think Yzerman and the Wings come calling but I could see Sakic having interest for sure.BillP. wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:32 pm I'm going to make a prediction and say Colorado signs Shattenkirk to a 1 year deal.
I don't know that it was universally hate. I just didn't want to pay a third pairing PP specialist the money that was being talked about at the time. If you re-sign him without trading someone else, you don't have room for someone like O'Reilly. I also don't fault him for wanting to take on a bigger role somewhere. We'll never know exactly how big of a factor that knee injury had on him a couple years ago in New York. The PP certainly hasn't been the same without him.NHLTIM wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:34 pm Shatty was a great player here and was loved in the locker room. If he stays here, he’s probably still that same player today.
At one point he was right behind Karlsson as the most productive dman on the PP. He had a role here and played it very well. I never got the hate on him regarding his defensive play. His game was to produce offense and he did that. I’d take him back in a minute.
We traded EJ for Shatty...
Saying the Blues would win the Cup last season was a bit out there too,; hell, even up to the GWG by Maroon in 2nd round many still had strong doubts.Dave's a mess wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:02 pmOh I'm not saying they would've beaten us, just that the thought of them finishing behind Ottawa next season is a bit out there.Matangama wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:31 pmI don’t disagree, Dave, but I think we would have destroyed the Leafs. We would have crushed their forwards physically, their D was weak, and goaltending questionable. I think we would have beaten them in 5 games, and at some point in those 5 games, we would have made Nylander openly cry on the ice.Dave's a mess wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:22 pm I get that we all probably have Leaf fatigue, but there's a great chance we would have been facing the Leafs on the Final if Kadri didn't lose his mind for a second. I think they'll be just about as good this year too.
Not today's Shatty; he's damaged goods, physically and mentally. He'll put up some descent numbers this year as a motivation year, but I don't see him being relevant anymore, especially not long term. JEd is only 26. We may lose 3 of our top 6 D next off- season. We cannot lose 4.BluesSK wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:38 pm If you could sign Shattenkirk for less than the arbitration settlement for Edmundson would you do it?
You might be on to something here.Dave's a mess wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:22 pmBetter move quick so they can hire Chiarelli!
Yes. Think of him and Parayko on The #1 PP points, and Pietrangelo and Dunn on PP#2! But, a top 4 with ALL offensive D-men might be a problem (lots of goals for, and lots of goals against). Have to bury Shatty on The 3rd pairing, but he'd have more minutes than anyone on The PP.BluesSK wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:38 pm If you could sign Shattenkirk for less than the arbitration settlement for Edmundson would you do it?
I completely understand your argument. The unpredictability of the NHL and hockey in general is a hell of a thing. However I just don't think you're giving enough credit to how bad the Senators are going to be. On February 21 of last season, they were in last place in the league with 48 points. Since then they've traded Mark Stone, Matt Duchene and Ryan Dzingel. I will be surprised if they finish better than 3rd to last in the league.bradleygt89 wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:33 pmSaying the Blues would win the Cup last season was a bit out there too,; hell, even up to the GWG by Maroon in 2nd round many still had strong doubts.Dave's a mess wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:02 pmOh I'm not saying they would've beaten us, just that the thought of them finishing behind Ottawa next season is a bit out there.Matangama wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:31 pm
I don’t disagree, Dave, but I think we would have destroyed the Leafs. We would have crushed their forwards physically, their D was weak, and goaltending questionable. I think we would have beaten them in 5 games, and at some point in those 5 games, we would have made Nylander openly cry on the ice.
I'm not saying it WILL happen, the Sens finishing higher than the Leafs, I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised. Nothing will ever surprise me in the NHL ever again, not after this past season. As Tim learned us, having zero expectations is the way to go...and the path to being happy and enjoying this great game and the crazy league of the NHL
That could be the worst thing to happen to hockey in Minnesota, or the best thing, depending on who you root for!BluesSK wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:34 pmYou might be on to something here.
I couldn't help but laugh for a couple of minutes.
I just love that this story is happening right now. In August after a Cup win it sure is refreshing to point and laugh at division rivals. My thanks to the Wild organization for giving us something to talk about other than my sudden odd desire to crap on the Senators.Cotton McKnight wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:38 amThat could be the worst thing to happen to hockey in Minnesota, or the best thing, depending on who you root for!BluesSK wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:34 pmYou might be on to something here.
I couldn't help but laugh for a couple of minutes.
Leopold was tired of the Wild being a leaguewide laughingstock and wanted to get them back to their rightful place of being the team that nobody in the league ever thinks about at all.
Dave's a mess wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:46 am This quote from Down Goes Brown's piece on the Fenton firing really got me:
Leopold was tired of the Wild being a leaguewide laughingstock and wanted to get them back to their rightful place of being the team that nobody in the league ever thinks about at all.
https://theathletic.com/1111634/2019/08 ... puck-soup/
