Exactly, so as I said, no one knows how many cases there have been and how many have already had it without knowing.bradleygt89 wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:23 amsource?Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:04 amThat's not clarity because the first known case was tracked back to November and even that's best case considering how the Chinese government suppressed news on it. Patient 0 has not been tracked.bradleygt89 wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:00 am
Just for clarity, the first 'confirmed' case of Coronavirus in the USA was in mid-January, after it was initially announced as 'discovered' on Dec 31, 2019 in Wuhan China: Scroll to the bottom of the following page: https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.c ... k-evolved/
or here is another timeline: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/ ... 54884.html
Also, even if it was November, the first case reported in the USA was in January, not March as you had stated. And of course others could have had it before that known case in January, because it wasn't a confirmed separate virus until January, so no testing was available before then of course.
Beer shits and no TP is not a great combo my guy.MattyIce wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:23 am I wonder if we should start a virus thread in OT. Not gonna lie... I'm all virus-ed out. Whatever happens happens. All this shit is beyond our control so why argue about it. I see both sides TBH. All I know is that while everyone was buying TP for their bungholes, I stocked up on stuff for my daughter, beer, and bought a few new vinyls to listen to.
It's all over now. My final word on the subject is...Mook is a double dumb ass. (extra points if you get that reference)MattyIce wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:23 am I wonder if we should start a virus thread in OT. Not gonna lie... I'm all virus-ed out. Whatever happens happens. All this shit is beyond our control so why argue about it. I see both sides TBH. All I know is that while everyone was buying TP for their bungholes, I stocked up on stuff for my daughter, beer, and bought a few new vinyls to listen to.
I never said that. You're creating a strawman.CaptSMRT wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:22 amI called you a dipshit, dumbass. I'm being cautious and not going to any stadium events, so I'll be fine. I'm pretty willing to bet that the United States will not see higher rates of infection than China or Italy, and certainly not 214 million infected and 1.7 million dead.MissouriMook wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:16 amA live look in the kitchen of CaptSMRTCaptSMRT wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:22 am
Yeah, but you are a total dipshit, so this only strengthens my argument.
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We'll see in a few weeks who the real dumbass is.
Exactly but this is how our govt views it’s citizens...dumb as a box of rocks.CaptSMRT wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:50 amCommon ground? How about common sense. I didn't even start asking questions until I saw some guy quoting a Harvard virologist who said there could be 3-4 billion people infected. Come on...if there is that many people infected there will be 100's of millions dead.NHLTIM wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:41 amCommon ground is sooo boringDread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:29 am Cant you all just find common ground and realize you’re both right about things on this?
Worst case, we just print off captSMRT's post and use that.ratonmono wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:30 am The TP thing is hilarious to me. Granted I’m a single guy that lives alone and I think I bought TP twice in an entire year? How many shits are you people taking?! You’ve got more problems than corona methinks.
It's not that it is a blip it is that the actual data does not match up with the estimates being thrown around..."millions of lives lost"MissouriMook wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:29 amI never said that. You're creating a strawman.CaptSMRT wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:22 amI called you a dipshit, dumbass. I'm being cautious and not going to any stadium events, so I'll be fine. I'm pretty willing to bet that the United States will not see higher rates of infection than China or Italy, and certainly not 214 million infected and 1.7 million dead.MissouriMook wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:16 am
A live look in the kitchen of CaptSMRT
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We'll see in a few weeks who the real dumbass is.
Your tone in this thread, and the context of your posts, suggest that you think everyone is overreacting and this will be a minor blip. The comments and tone of every medical expert on the planet suggests that you will be proven wrong. Overreacting now, as opposed to underreacting, will save thousands and maybe tens of thousands of lives. On behalf of Planet Earth, I would like to formally apologize to you for your inconvenience.
that's awesome, so our taxes will go up to support this spending?? Good to know and glad we no longer have a national budget deficit then here in the USA! And all these big businesses getting handouts...that's surely not a form of socialism is it? I thought capitalism was all about 'survival of the fittest?" Shouldn't a true capitalistic economy just let them fail if they cannot handle a simple little flu epidemic?NHLTIM wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:21 amI am against it but I’m smart enough to know that’s not socialism when they are gonna get back everything they send out via taxes anyway.bradleygt89 wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:51 amI thought you were against socialism?NHLTIM wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:46 am I know I’m buying an assault rifle with my Stimulus check....if for nothing more than to piss people off.
TIM HATES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AIRPORTS, HIGHWAYS, AND TEACHERS OMGbradleygt89 wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:35 amthat's awesome, so our taxes will go up to support this spending?? Good to know and glad we no longer have a national budget deficit then here in the USA! And all these big businesses getting handouts...that's surely not a form of socialism is it? I thought capitalism was all about 'survival of the fittest?" Shouldn't a true capitalistic economy just let them fail if they cannot handle a simple little flu epidemic?NHLTIM wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:21 amI am against it but I’m smart enough to know that’s not socialism when they are gonna get back everything they send out via taxes anyway.
I'm not saying 900K people are going to die from this in the US. No one is saying that, at least not here. The only one who is saying that is you when you say others are saying it. Hence, Strawman.CaptSMRT wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:34 amIt's not that it is a blip it is that the actual data does not match up with the estimates being thrown around..."millions of lives lost"
There are currently 8273 fatalities from this globally...do you really think there is about to be 900k people in America dying of this out of nowhere?
He's arguing with the people that have been on the news giving dramatic worst case scenario numbers via you.MissouriMook wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:38 amI'm not saying 900K people are going to die from this in the US. No one is saying that, at least not here. The only one who is saying that is you when you say others are saying it. Hence, Strawman.CaptSMRT wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:34 amIt's not that it is a blip it is that the actual data does not match up with the estimates being thrown around..."millions of lives lost"
There are currently 8273 fatalities from this globally...do you really think there is about to be 900k people in America dying of this out of nowhere?
This is really easy to throw out into a conversation like a grenade when you can hide behind the vagueness of your opinion. Care to explain exactly what these "other motives" might be? Please don't tell me that you're one of these kooks that thinks this whole pandemic is just a liberal plot to keep Trump from being re-elected.NHLTIM wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:30 amExactly but this is how our govt views it’s citizens...dumb as a box of rocks.CaptSMRT wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:50 amCommon ground? How about common sense. I didn't even start asking questions until I saw some guy quoting a Harvard virologist who said there could be 3-4 billion people infected. Come on...if there is that many people infected there will be 100's of millions dead.
If i get Coronavirus and die...it’s just my time to go but the govt and media ain’t fooling me with this mass panic bullshit. It’s just a cover for other motives.
You just summed up life on earth.barnburner wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:53 am When figuring what the future totals of dead might be, consider that the hospitals will soon be operating beyond capacity. Some Doctors and nurses are now tending to patients a without protective gear due to shortages, risking their lives, as well as probably passing the virus onto others, including their families, and it's only going to get worse before it gets better.
I think people making over a certain amount are not getting anything. These checks are not for the rich. I haven’t heard anything about big business getting anything. This money is to help people who’ve lost their jobs or by them some time due to this shutdown as well as help stimulate the economy. The government knows people aren’t going to save that money and the majority will blow it within a week. They are just hoping they spend it on taxable goods and service and not their local drug dealer.bradleygt89 wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:35 amthat's awesome, so our taxes will go up to support this spending?? Good to know and glad we no longer have a national budget deficit then here in the USA! And all these big businesses getting handouts...that's surely not a form of socialism is it? I thought capitalism was all about 'survival of the fittest?" Shouldn't a true capitalistic economy just let them fail if they cannot handle a simple little flu epidemic?NHLTIM wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:21 amI am against it but I’m smart enough to know that’s not socialism when they are gonna get back everything they send out via taxes anyway.
Are the poor bastards in Italy making decisions on who gets to live and who gets to not have a ventilator today a part of it? If there's an insidious plot behind this, what exactly is it?NHLTIM wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:57 amI think people making over a certain amount are not getting anything. These checks are not for the rich. I haven’t heard anything about big business getting anything. This money is to help people who’ve lost their jobs or by them some time due to this shutdown as well as help stimulate the economy. The government knows people aren’t going to save that money and the majority will blow it within a week. They are just hoping they spend it on taxable goods and service and not their local drug dealer.bradleygt89 wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:35 amthat's awesome, so our taxes will go up to support this spending?? Good to know and glad we no longer have a national budget deficit then here in the USA! And all these big businesses getting handouts...that's surely not a form of socialism is it? I thought capitalism was all about 'survival of the fittest?" Shouldn't a true capitalistic economy just let them fail if they cannot handle a simple little flu epidemic?NHLTIM wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:21 am
I am against it but I’m smart enough to know that’s not socialism when they are gonna get back everything they send out via taxes anyway.
But you’re right ...this is just a little flu outbreak so ask yourself what might the bigger picture really involve here and that’s where it gets pretty scary....or you could just keep believing this is all about a virus.
I don’t pretend to know what’s going on in Italy...if you’re old and not in great health and get this virus, it’s obviously not a good situation. The virus is not in question...it’s very real. I only question what is going on over here. My wife’s grandpa is 94 and in a nursing home so this is could be a very real situation for me and my family but that doesn’t mean It changes my stance on the fear and mass panic. I just think there is more to it. That’s all I’m going to say. Everybody is free to believe what they wish.ratonmono wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:06 pmAre the poor bastards in Italy making decisions on who gets to live and who gets to not have a ventilator today a part of it? If there's an insidious plot behind this, what exactly is it?NHLTIM wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:57 amI think people making over a certain amount are not getting anything. These checks are not for the rich. I haven’t heard anything about big business getting anything. This money is to help people who’ve lost their jobs or by them some time due to this shutdown as well as help stimulate the economy. The government knows people aren’t going to save that money and the majority will blow it within a week. They are just hoping they spend it on taxable goods and service and not their local drug dealer.bradleygt89 wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:35 am
that's awesome, so our taxes will go up to support this spending?? Good to know and glad we no longer have a national budget deficit then here in the USA! And all these big businesses getting handouts...that's surely not a form of socialism is it? I thought capitalism was all about 'survival of the fittest?" Shouldn't a true capitalistic economy just let them fail if they cannot handle a simple little flu epidemic?
But you’re right ...this is just a little flu outbreak so ask yourself what might the bigger picture really involve here and that’s where it gets pretty scary....or you could just keep believing this is all about a virus.
Now are people going to take advantage of a shitty situation at the expense of their fellow humans? Absolutely. Just look at the rotten fucks who bought up a shit ton of sanitizer to try and gouge prices. It's pathetic. But I don't believe in conspiracies, we just aren't competent enough to manufacture anything on the scale you're vaguely suggesting. I believe that people are opportunists. Nothing more, nothing less.
PFT is the smartest man in any room he's in.UMSLBlues12 wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:20 pm Want some good info on coronavirus? Start listening at 47:18. Straight out of the mouth of the smartest guy in the room on this, no media spin or over the top stuff. Never thought I'd be recommending a freaking Barstool Sports podcast for scientific info, but good for them for having Fauci on.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0468751428
