BillP. wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:38 pm What’s also a joke is the guy claiming it ruined his career. Uh, I don’t think so.

Dave's a mess wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:56 pm

BillP. wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:38 pm What’s also a joke is the guy claiming it ruined his career. Uh, I don’t think so.

Well he got sent down to the ECHL shortly after having a blow up with Peters related to the incident, so while it didn't ruin his career, it certainly helped send it in the wrong direction as a first year pro.

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:09 pm

NHLTIM wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:06 pm What an idiot though ...to be in that position and do that in 2009 with his future in front of him

I've often believed being a racist is a sign of inferior intelligence.

BluesSK wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:48 pm Yet, if he would have worn blackface he'd be Prime Minister of Canada by now.

Beatoni12 wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:04 pm

BluesSK wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:48 pm Yet, if he would have worn blackface he'd be Prime Minister of Canada by now.

Don’t want to get off topic, but shouldn’t you be planning your “wexit” ? Lol. (This is liable to confuse many on here)

NHLTIM wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:56 am Just be prepared that perhaps one of your favorite players, coaches, hockey personalities could get called out for something that happened years ago and could be labeled a racist when he was merely joking around with the boys.

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:06 am

NHLTIM wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:56 am Just be prepared that perhaps one of your favorite players, coaches, hockey personalities could get called out for something that happened years ago and could be labeled a racist when he was merely joking around with the boys.

If they are using language like Bill Peters, I sure hope they do. It's time to out this behavior and rid the sport of it.

NHLTIM wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:19 am

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:06 am

NHLTIM wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:56 am Just be prepared that perhaps one of your favorite players, coaches, hockey personalities could get called out for something that happened years ago and could be labeled a racist when he was merely joking around with the boys.

If they are using language like Bill Peters, I sure hope they do. It's time to out this behavior and rid the sport of it.

I sure as hell don’t want to hear something that happened on a Saskatchewan prairie 30 years ago involving Melrose, Chaser , and Wendel Clark. Just move forward....we don’t need to ruin people’s lives over it. If something happened recently I’m all for it.

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:27 am

NHLTIM wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:19 am

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:06 am

If they are using language like Bill Peters, I sure hope they do. It's time to out this behavior and rid the sport of it.

I sure as hell don’t want to hear something that happened on a Saskatchewan prairie 30 years ago involving Melrose, Chaser , and Wendel Clark. Just move forward....we don’t need to ruin people’s lives over it. If something happened recently I’m all for it.

What you described isn't what is happening though. Bill Peters was the coach saying these things to his players.

NHLTIM wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:33 am

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:27 am

NHLTIM wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:19 am

I sure as hell don’t want to hear something that happened on a Saskatchewan prairie 30 years ago involving Melrose, Chaser , and Wendel Clark. Just move forward....we don’t need to ruin people’s lives over it. If something happened recently I’m all for it.

What you described isn't what is happening though. Bill Peters was the coach saying these things to his players.

We don’t know what could happen. All it takes is somebody to say hey “remember that time in Saskatchewan 30 years ago??”
Now John Vanbiesbrouck has been called out. It’s open season. I just don’t see what good comes from possibly labeling someone a racist who’s probably done a lot of good in their life because of that NHL paycheck.

NHLTIM wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:19 am

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:06 am

NHLTIM wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:56 am Just be prepared that perhaps one of your favorite players, coaches, hockey personalities could get called out for something that happened years ago and could be labeled a racist when he was merely joking around with the boys.

If they are using language like Bill Peters, I sure hope they do. It's time to out this behavior and rid the sport of it.

I sure as hell don’t want to hear something that happened on a Saskatchewan prairie 30 years ago involving Melrose, Chaser , and Wendel Clark. Just move forward....we don’t need to ruin people’s lives over it. If something happened recently I’m all for it.

MattyIce wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:45 amTo further your point Tim, in my early 20s, I was a wild as many guys are. Out at bars nightly, I cheated on girlfriends, I drove my car plastered on a regular basis, acted like a drunken ass in public, etc... Today, I am married with a baby. I would never ever ever think or want to cheat on my wife. I uber when I have 3 beers. I have changed my life and values for the better. Should I be vilified for all of the asshole things that I did 10 years ago? Because those things are not a reflection of my personality now. And I absolutely hate some of the things that I did in the past.
Just to be clear, what he said was fucked up. I'm not defending it. Not to mention, he sounds like a complete ass. But when you get down to it, everyone on this planet has made BIG mistakes. Everyone has done immoral things. You can forgive yourself for things you have done in the past, but for people in the public eye, you may not get that forgiveness from the masses. I have no idea if Peters is even remorseful for what he said, but if he is, it won't matter. Because he will now be forever labeled a "racist" in a lot of peoples eyes.

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:40 am

NHLTIM wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:33 am

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:27 am

What you described isn't what is happening though. Bill Peters was the coach saying these things to his players.

We don’t know what could happen. All it takes is somebody to say hey “remember that time in Saskatchewan 30 years ago??”
Now John Vanbiesbrouck has been called out. It’s open season. I just don’t see what good comes from possibly labeling someone a racist who’s probably done a lot of good in their life because of that NHL paycheck.

Agreed, we don't know what could happen, but why sit here and discuss extreme hypotheticals and worry about them when we could have conversations on what is actually happening?

As for the Bies, his situation came to light at least a year ago, this isn't a new story on him.

And I agree, it is open season.

NHLTIM wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:09 am

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:40 am

NHLTIM wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:33 am

We don’t know what could happen. All it takes is somebody to say hey “remember that time in Saskatchewan 30 years ago??”
Now John Vanbiesbrouck has been called out. It’s open season. I just don’t see what good comes from possibly labeling someone a racist who’s probably done a lot of good in their life because of that NHL paycheck.

Agreed, we don't know what could happen, but why sit here and discuss extreme hypotheticals and worry about them when we could have conversations on what is actually happening?

As for the Bies, his situation came to light at least a year ago, this isn't a new story on him.

And I agree, it is open season.

First I’ve heard about the Bieser ...at least that I can remember. One thing I know for sure though....there are probably plenty of racial things said in the last 30 years from a sport who’s players and coaches are predominantly white. I don’t believe that locker room jokes and the such make anybody truly a racist although there are some that are I’m sure...I think it’s more likely that it was just the norm for them growing up. Yes I know the Peters situation is vastly different but I just hope it doesn’t turn into “so and so said this and so so said that” type of thing because somewhere along the line somebody will be labeled a racist when they are truly not one. That’s what I don’t want to see.
In this day and age when there are more people of color playing it just doesn’t make sense to ever go that route, especially from an authority figure like Peters.
I also think it comes down to the player as well...what are the odds the boys in our locker room , maybe even Ken Hitchcock made a joke or two in regards to Ryan Reaves ? I would find it hard to believe there wasn’t something jokingly said where all parties didn’t laugh at least one time.
That’s all I’m saying...some stuff should remain private.

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:12 am

NHLTIM wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:09 am

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:40 am

Agreed, we don't know what could happen, but why sit here and discuss extreme hypotheticals and worry about them when we could have conversations on what is actually happening?

As for the Bies, his situation came to light at least a year ago, this isn't a new story on him.

And I agree, it is open season.

First I’ve heard about the Bieser ...at least that I can remember. One thing I know for sure though....there are probably plenty of racial things said in the last 30 years from a sport who’s players and coaches are predominantly white. I don’t believe that locker room jokes and the such make anybody truly a racist although there are some that are I’m sure...I think it’s more likely that it was just the norm for them growing up. Yes I know the Peters situation is vastly different but I just hope it doesn’t turn into “so and so said this and so so said that” type of thing because somewhere along the line somebody will be labeled a racist when they are truly not one. That’s what I don’t want to see.
In this day and age when there are more people of color playing it just doesn’t make sense to ever go that route, especially from an authority figure like Peters.
I also think it comes down to the player as well...what are the odds the boys in our locker room , maybe even Ken Hitchcock made a joke or two in regards to Ryan Reaves ? I would find it hard to believe there wasn’t something jokingly said where all parties didn’t laugh at least one time.
That’s all I’m saying...some stuff should remain private.

Why do you keep saying locker room jokes? Bill Peters was not just “razzing the boys”

Also, if you can’t make jokes without using the N word, you might be a red neck.

CaptSMRT wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:16 am There is a huge difference between some idiot wearing blackface and a coach walking up to a player and saying a bunch of racist shit. Fuck this guy.

NHLTIM wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:09 am

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:40 am

NHLTIM wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:33 am

We don’t know what could happen. All it takes is somebody to say hey “remember that time in Saskatchewan 30 years ago??”
Now John Vanbiesbrouck has been called out. It’s open season. I just don’t see what good comes from possibly labeling someone a racist who’s probably done a lot of good in their life because of that NHL paycheck.

Agreed, we don't know what could happen, but why sit here and discuss extreme hypotheticals and worry about them when we could have conversations on what is actually happening?

As for the Bies, his situation came to light at least a year ago, this isn't a new story on him.

And I agree, it is open season.

First I’ve heard about the Bieser ...at least that I can remember. One thing I know for sure though....there are probably plenty of racial things said in the last 30 years from a sport who’s players and coaches are predominantly white. I don’t believe that locker room jokes and the such make anybody truly a racist although there are some that are I’m sure...I think it’s more likely that it was just the norm for them growing up. Yes I know the Peters situation is vastly different but I just hope it doesn’t turn into “so and so said this and so so said that” type of thing because somewhere along the line somebody will be labeled a racist when they are truly not one. That’s what I don’t want to see.
In this day and age when there are more people of color playing it just doesn’t make sense to ever go that route, especially from an authority figure like Peters.
I also think it comes down to the player as well...what are the odds the boys in our locker room , maybe even Ken Hitchcock made a joke or two in regards to Ryan Reaves ? I would find it hard to believe there wasn’t something jokingly said where all parties didn’t laugh at least one time.
That’s all I’m saying...some stuff should remain private.

UMSLBlues12 wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:04 am

MattyIce wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:45 amTo further your point Tim, in my early 20s, I was a wild as many guys are. Out at bars nightly, I cheated on girlfriends, I drove my car plastered on a regular basis, acted like a drunken ass in public, etc... Today, I am married with a baby. I would never ever ever think or want to cheat on my wife. I uber when I have 3 beers. I have changed my life and values for the better. Should I be vilified for all of the asshole things that I did 10 years ago? Because those things are not a reflection of my personality now. And I absolutely hate some of the things that I did in the past.
Just to be clear, what he said was fucked up. I'm not defending it. Not to mention, he sounds like a complete ass. But when you get down to it, everyone on this planet has made BIG mistakes. Everyone has done immoral things. You can forgive yourself for things you have done in the past, but for people in the public eye, you may not get that forgiveness from the masses. I have no idea if Peters is even remorseful for what he said, but if he is, it won't matter. Because he will now be forever labeled a "racist" in a lot of peoples eyes.

A few things that are different though--all of those things you're talking about you weren't doing in some sort of professional capacity. Yes, it would obviously be insane if you lost your job today because you did crazy shit when you were 20. Bill Peters is at risk of losing his job because he did crazy shit on the job as a head coach. Its not like you were doing those things in some sort of professional capacity.

The second important thing is that you're not a public persona. There are (rightfully so) different expectations placed on people who are the faces of organizations, who people look up to as role models due to their positions, etc. Those people's actions stop being a reflection on only themselves, and become a reflection of the organization they represent.

usmcaaron wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:22 am

NHLTIM wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:09 am

Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:40 am

Agreed, we don't know what could happen, but why sit here and discuss extreme hypotheticals and worry about them when we could have conversations on what is actually happening?

As for the Bies, his situation came to light at least a year ago, this isn't a new story on him.

And I agree, it is open season.

First I’ve heard about the Bieser ...at least that I can remember. One thing I know for sure though....there are probably plenty of racial things said in the last 30 years from a sport who’s players and coaches are predominantly white. I don’t believe that locker room jokes and the such make anybody truly a racist although there are some that are I’m sure...I think it’s more likely that it was just the norm for them growing up. Yes I know the Peters situation is vastly different but I just hope it doesn’t turn into “so and so said this and so so said that” type of thing because somewhere along the line somebody will be labeled a racist when they are truly not one. That’s what I don’t want to see.
In this day and age when there are more people of color playing it just doesn’t make sense to ever go that route, especially from an authority figure like Peters.
I also think it comes down to the player as well...what are the odds the boys in our locker room , maybe even Ken Hitchcock made a joke or two in regards to Ryan Reaves ? I would find it hard to believe there wasn’t something jokingly said where all parties didn’t laugh at least one time.
That’s all I’m saying...some stuff should remain private.

Yeah, this is not & never would be construed by any rational person as a "joke"
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Also, to those who say waiting 10 years is a problem, maybe that wasn't the case.
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