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39hurricane wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:41 pm
barcthespark wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:48 pm A young 4th liner leaving a Cup winning team over a few $$$ would have to be an idiot. I love having him on our team, but he can easily be replaced.
You guys are overlooking the best part about playing in Russia. NO INCOME TAXES! If Barbs has a 3 million dollar contract on the table from Moscow that would be the same as making 5 million here in the states.

It's not a few bucks.
But if the team doesn't pay you, the tax benefits are irrelevant. He could stay in the US and not get paid and have zero tax liability, too.
2018-2019 Stanley Cup Champion St. Louis Blues. And I was alive to see it happen!

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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:12 am I'm really glad the post about a part time well repairer in Russia was deleted before Barbs had a chance to see it and use it as more leverage.
I assumed those were Barbashev-run burner accounts trying to swing fan opinion in his favor. I've heard that's a tactic that's proven quite effective in Russian-American relations.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!

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ESPN has article for all decade team for all 31 teams.

I guess accumulated stats drive the picks cause I think it’s debatable in choosing Steen and maybe even Shattenkirk as well.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/274 ... -nhl-clubs

C: David Backes (152 G, 200 A, 0.67 PPG)
LW: Alexander Steen (182 G, 273 A, 0.70 PPG)
RW: Vladimir Tarasenko (211 G, 207 A, 0.84 PPG)
D: Alex Pietrangelo (93 G, 304 A, 0.58 PPG)
D: Kevin Shattenkirk (59 G, 199 A, 0.61 PPG)
G: Jordan Binnington (24-5-1, .926 SV%, 1.91 GAA)

Coach: Ken Hitchcock (248-124-41)

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BillP. wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:33 am ESPN has article for all decade team for all 31 teams.

I guess accumulated stats drive the picks cause I think it’s debatable in choosing Steen and maybe even Shattenkirk as well.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/274 ... -nhl-clubs

C: David Backes (152 G, 200 A, 0.67 PPG)
LW: Alexander Steen (182 G, 273 A, 0.70 PPG)
RW: Vladimir Tarasenko (211 G, 207 A, 0.84 PPG)
D: Alex Pietrangelo (93 G, 304 A, 0.58 PPG)
D: Kevin Shattenkirk (59 G, 199 A, 0.61 PPG)
G: Jordan Binnington (24-5-1, .926 SV%, 1.91 GAA)

Coach: Ken Hitchcock (248-124-41)

minus Binnington that is the team that got us to the WCF in '16. Obviously Binner wasn't ready yet, but if we would have got better goaltending from either BE or JA, who knows what could have happened vs the Sharks. I'm not sure even the best goalie in the world would have stopped the '16 Penguins though, that was probably one of the best playoff teams of the whole decade.
"Do Only Good Everyday"

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bradleygt89 wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:15 am
BillP. wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:33 am ESPN has article for all decade team for all 31 teams.

I guess accumulated stats drive the picks cause I think it’s debatable in choosing Steen and maybe even Shattenkirk as well.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/274 ... -nhl-clubs

C: David Backes (152 G, 200 A, 0.67 PPG)
LW: Alexander Steen (182 G, 273 A, 0.70 PPG)
RW: Vladimir Tarasenko (211 G, 207 A, 0.84 PPG)
D: Alex Pietrangelo (93 G, 304 A, 0.58 PPG)
D: Kevin Shattenkirk (59 G, 199 A, 0.61 PPG)
G: Jordan Binnington (24-5-1, .926 SV%, 1.91 GAA)

Coach: Ken Hitchcock (248-124-41)

minus Binnington that is the team that got us to the WCF in '16. Obviously Binner wasn't ready yet, but if we would have got better goaltending from either BE or JA, who knows what could have happened vs the Sharks. I'm not sure even the best goalie in the world would have stopped the '16 Penguins though, that was probably one of the best playoff teams of the whole decade.
With Berube and Binnington, anything is possible :)

I loved Hitch, and I know it is a small sample size, but Berube's attitude might have gotten that 2016 team to the Cup.
KA-KAW!

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BillP. wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:33 am ESPN has article for all decade team for all 31 teams.

I guess accumulated stats drive the picks cause I think it’s debatable in choosing Steen and maybe even Shattenkirk as well.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/274 ... -nhl-clubs

C: David Backes (152 G, 200 A, 0.67 PPG)
LW: Alexander Steen (182 G, 273 A, 0.70 PPG)
RW: Vladimir Tarasenko (211 G, 207 A, 0.84 PPG)
D: Alex Pietrangelo (93 G, 304 A, 0.58 PPG)
D: Kevin Shattenkirk (59 G, 199 A, 0.61 PPG)
G: Jordan Binnington (24-5-1, .926 SV%, 1.91 GAA)

Coach: Ken Hitchcock (248-124-41)
All those guys in their prime is a pretty damn good team. Steen had a couple of seasons where he was absolutely great for us. He had a two year stretch where he scored 60 points and was getting Selke votes. He's gone downhill for sure but he was very, very good for a few years for us.

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UMSLBlues12 wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:22 am
BillP. wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:33 am ESPN has article for all decade team for all 31 teams.

I guess accumulated stats drive the picks cause I think it’s debatable in choosing Steen and maybe even Shattenkirk as well.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/274 ... -nhl-clubs

C: David Backes (152 G, 200 A, 0.67 PPG)
LW: Alexander Steen (182 G, 273 A, 0.70 PPG)
RW: Vladimir Tarasenko (211 G, 207 A, 0.84 PPG)
D: Alex Pietrangelo (93 G, 304 A, 0.58 PPG)
D: Kevin Shattenkirk (59 G, 199 A, 0.61 PPG)
G: Jordan Binnington (24-5-1, .926 SV%, 1.91 GAA)

Coach: Ken Hitchcock (248-124-41)
All those guys in their prime is a pretty damn good team. Steen had a couple of seasons where he was absolutely great for us. He had a two year stretch where he scored 60 points and was getting Selke votes. He's gone downhill for sure but he was very, very good for a few years for us.
Honestly I don't know who you could even consider besides Steen unless you wanted to position switch Oshie. Peak Steen was the perfect winger for the identity of the team in that time period. Sure, he's an overpaid fourth liner now, but he's a good fourth liner with a ring. Regarding Shattenkirk, I'm not really sure who the alternative is there either. Third best D of the decade is probably Bouwmeester depending on how you feel about Parayko and sample size.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!

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Dave's a mess wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:42 am
UMSLBlues12 wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:22 am
BillP. wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:33 am ESPN has article for all decade team for all 31 teams.

I guess accumulated stats drive the picks cause I think it’s debatable in choosing Steen and maybe even Shattenkirk as well.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/274 ... -nhl-clubs

C: David Backes (152 G, 200 A, 0.67 PPG)
LW: Alexander Steen (182 G, 273 A, 0.70 PPG)
RW: Vladimir Tarasenko (211 G, 207 A, 0.84 PPG)
D: Alex Pietrangelo (93 G, 304 A, 0.58 PPG)
D: Kevin Shattenkirk (59 G, 199 A, 0.61 PPG)
G: Jordan Binnington (24-5-1, .926 SV%, 1.91 GAA)

Coach: Ken Hitchcock (248-124-41)
All those guys in their prime is a pretty damn good team. Steen had a couple of seasons where he was absolutely great for us. He had a two year stretch where he scored 60 points and was getting Selke votes. He's gone downhill for sure but he was very, very good for a few years for us.
Honestly I don't know who you could even consider besides Steen unless you wanted to position switch Oshie. Peak Steen was the perfect winger for the identity of the team in that time period. Sure, he's an overpaid fourth liner now, but he's a good fourth liner with a ring. Regarding Shattenkirk, I'm not really sure who the alternative is there either. Third best D of the decade is probably Bouwmeester depending on how you feel about Parayko and sample size.
Steen was always a solid, steady producer, except for the 1 contract year where he went ballistic with the goals. But I would insert Oshie in the starting 3 and I would go with Parayko instead of Shattenkirk. If you're trying to win a game, that would be your better overall group.

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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:55 am It's got to be Steen on LW but the most memorable Blue on the left side of the decade was Perron. From the time he was drafted, his white skates and constantly trading him and bringing him back, then to Stanley Cup champion...What a ride.
But, DP has played RW the majority of his 2nd and 3rd stints with us. So that might work against considering him as a LW.

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UMSLBlues12 wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:15 am
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:55 am It's got to be Steen on LW but the most memorable Blue on the left side of the decade was Perron. From the time he was drafted, his white skates and constantly trading him and bringing him back, then to Stanley Cup champion...What a ride.
But, DP has played RW the majority of his 2nd and 3rd stints with us. So that might work against considering him as a LW.
Not in my book and it's the Gospel.
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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:16 am
UMSLBlues12 wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:15 am
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:55 am It's got to be Steen on LW but the most memorable Blue on the left side of the decade was Perron. From the time he was drafted, his white skates and constantly trading him and bringing him back, then to Stanley Cup champion...What a ride.
But, DP has played RW the majority of his 2nd and 3rd stints with us. So that might work against considering him as a LW.
Not in my book and it's the Gospel.
Wait...does that mean Perron never existed!?!?!?
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!

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Dave's a mess wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:29 am
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:16 am
UMSLBlues12 wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:15 am

But, DP has played RW the majority of his 2nd and 3rd stints with us. So that might work against considering him as a LW.
Not in my book and it's the Gospel.
Wait...does that mean Perron never existed!?!?!?
Oh look, a rabbit hole. *walks away* :lol:
Just a Russian propaganda account

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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:33 am
Dave's a mess wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:29 am
Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:16 am

Not in my book and it's the Gospel.
Wait...does that mean Perron never existed!?!?!?
Oh look, a rabbit hole. *walks away* :lol:
Hahaha, wise move. And for those who might not be aware, it's just a joke about a former troll on the forum.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!

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RAFritchey wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:07 pm Controversial opinion, but based on stats:

If they're choosing Backes over O'Reilly because ROR has only played one season with the Blues, then Binnington should be off the list as well. To replace him, I suggest... Brian Elliott.
Yeah, really ROR should be the Center. I believe Oshie made the Caps team - ha

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BillP. wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:13 pm
RAFritchey wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:07 pm Controversial opinion, but based on stats:

If they're choosing Backes over O'Reilly because ROR has only played one season with the Blues, then Binnington should be off the list as well. To replace him, I suggest... Brian Elliott.
Yeah, really ROR should be the Center. I believe Oshie made the Caps team - ha
If you go by NHL.com's sortable stats, season-by-season over the last 10 seasons, and just go by points:

Left Wings
Steen
Scwhartz
Steen
Schwartz
McDonald
Schwartz
Schwartz
Steen
Steen
Steen

Centers
ROR
Schenn
Schenn
Berglund
Stastny
Stastny
Lehtera
Stastny
Stastny
Berglund

Right Wings
Tarasenko
Tarasenko
Tarasenko
Tarasenko
Tarasenko
Backes
Oshie
Backes
Backes
Oshie

Defensemen
Pietrangelo
Pietrangelo
Pietrangelo
Pietrangelo
Pietrangelo
Shattenkirk
Shattenkirk
Shattenkirk
Shattenkirk
Pietrangelo

Notes: They consistently list Backes as a RW. Seeing how weak our centers have been without him, you can see why we think of him as a C more than a RW. Also, you can see what Pietrangelo and Tarasenko meant to the team, at least for scoring, over the last 10 years, too.

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RAFritchey wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:07 pm Controversial opinion, but based on stats:

If they're choosing Backes over O'Reilly because ROR has only played one season with the Blues, then Binnington should be off the list as well. To replace him, I suggest... Brian Elliott.
While I see your point and agree to an extent, Backes and Elliott are not equal. Backes was a far better and more prominent Blue over the decade than Elliott was. Hell, Elliott was never really an official starter for the Blues.
Just a Russian propaganda account

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Dread_Pirate_Westley wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:28 pm
RAFritchey wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:07 pm Controversial opinion, but based on stats:

If they're choosing Backes over O'Reilly because ROR has only played one season with the Blues, then Binnington should be off the list as well. To replace him, I suggest... Brian Elliott.
While I see your point and agree to an extent, Backes and Elliott are not equal. Backes was a far better and more prominent Blue over the decade than Elliott was. Hell, Elliott was never really an official starter for the Blues.
I think the reason Binnington was the only small sample size choice candidate to get the nod was that really there weren't any other viable options at goalie. That wasn't the case at Center or Coach. Allen, Halak and Elliott were the only goalies to make over 100 starts in the decade. I could see the case for Elliott if you don't want to go with Binnington due to the sample size.
...but whatever, the Blues won the Cup!!!!!

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Reading a JR article in the Athletic about prospects. Sounds like Erik Foley (acquired in the Stastny trade) is still having concussion issues. He won’t be cleared to play at the start of training camp, and the Blues are just hopefully he gets quality of life back. Sounds like a decent chance he never plays again. Just terrible for the kid. Really hope he turns a corner.